Re: [ipwave] VW Golf 8 and WiFi/WLANp/Car2X

Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Tue, 14 January 2020 08:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [ipwave] VW Golf 8 and WiFi/WLANp/Car2X
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Thank you for the update.

I guess s/he would need to access the Internet in order to "sign in"(?)

Alex

Le 14/01/2020 à 07:48, Dr. Hans-Joachim Fischer a écrit :
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> 
> Volkswagen confirmed to me that Golf 8 has an ITS station unit with 
> ITS-G5 built in. In order to get it activated the owner needs to "sign in".
> 
> 
> Hans-Joachim
> 
> Am 13.01.2020 um 17:38 schrieb Alexandre Petrescu:
>> the first hands-on reviews of the VW 8 are in the printed press: no 
>> sign of WLANp, nor ITS-G5 or C2C messaging as of yet.  It might be 
>> because the reviewer is not interested in these aspects (no other 
>> mentioning of other connectivity features like webradio or wifi on 
>> board or remote software update) or it might be because these WLANp 
>> features are absent from actual deployment.
>>
>> the first VW Golf 8 is announced to be sold in France for mid 2020, 
>> with prices announced in March.
>>
>> Le 04/12/2019 à 17:10, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :
>>> I got to learn about VW Golf 8th generation (VW Golf 8, VW 8 for our
>>> discussion).
>>>
>>> On Oct. 24th they announced it on the web; it says uniquely (strangely)
>>> 'WLANp' and 'Car2X'.  These seem terms only use by VW, while others say
>>> 802.11p or Car2Car Consortium or V2X.  The announcement in French text
>>> says 'WiFi' instead of 802.11p, which is wrong again.
>>>
>>> Some of the features in the announcement text make think there is some
>>> Bluetooth and NFC in there as well (WeConnect), and also CarPlay,
>>> AndroidAuto.  I cant figure out whether there is SIM card inside, like
>>> in Tesla. (be it software or a typical hard sim).
>>>
>>> VW 8 might hit the road in Spring or Summer 2020.
>>>
>>> It is not clear whether the Car2X/WLANp features are series features, or
>>> extras to be paid for.  Other announcements in America (Caddillac was
>>> that?) did the same, and the 11p was something additional to be sold for
>>> a series car.
>>>
>>> Once VW 8 is on the market, there are few places (Grenoble, Paris area,
>>> Versailles) where I discussed with people and might be interested to
>>> learn whether that VW 8 understands the RSUs in these areas.
>>>
>>> VW made a similar announcement of a series car 'Arteon' in 2017 and
>>> later in 2018 that is controlled by infrastructure (respect speed
>>> limits); that could only be with V2X.  However, it did not materialize
>>> once the car hit the roads.  Or at least I am not aware of that
>>> materialization.
>>>
>>> A discussion I had with someone who knows someone explains that a
>>> competitor of VW (Daimler) is more interested in the cellular aspects
>>> (e.g. LTE-V2X, even if this term itself is more of a VW term some
>>> times), and not at all in 802.11p, which is itself not right (the right
>>> term is 802.11-OCB).
>>>
>>> (a final note about cellular systems with V2X capabilities: the features
>>> of cellular systems that are specific to cars like direct V2V
>>> connectivity, or V2V2I, were announced many times in the past for 2.5G,
>>> 3G and 4G; they were never put to market either).
>>>
>>> Alex
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