Re: [ipwave] VW Golf 8 and WiFi/WLANp/Car2X
Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Mon, 02 March 2020 16:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ipwave] VW Golf 8 and WiFi/WLANp/Car2X
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A club in Austria tested the Car2X of VW Golf 8 and reported in Austrian there https://www.oeamtc.at/thema/verkehr/car-to-x-kommunikation-36583208 An English text pointing to that URL is this: > Monday 24 of February 2020 > > The latest generation of the VW Golf is the first vehicle to be > equipped with Car-to-X communication (C2X) as standard. > > "This technology enables the car to exchange information with other > vehicles as well as with the infrastructure," explains ÖAMTC > technician Friedrich Eppel. > > In practice, this works - to put it simply - like this: If the Golf's > sensors detect a danger or if an emergency braking manoeuvre is > initiated or the airbag is triggered in the event of an accident, it > automatically warns other vehicles in the vicinity by radio signal. > Conversely, it registers warnings and information coming from other > vehicles or the infrastructure and passes them on to the driver. While > driving, for example, the driver is warned that an accident has > occurred several hundred metres ahead of him. > > The Mobility Club has investigated this system together with its > partners - with promising results. > On another related note, I learn that the online configurator includes 'Car2X version High' as a series equipment (not an add on more expensive) on all Golf 8 models advertised on the web in France. Finally, I am interested to learn whether VW Golf 8 Car2X understands the Road-Side Units deployed in France that beacon DENM and CAM messages to all cars on the road. Alex Le 14/01/2020 à 09:58, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit : > Thank you for the update. > > I guess s/he would need to access the Internet in order to "sign in"(?) > > Alex > > Le 14/01/2020 à 07:48, Dr. Hans-Joachim Fischer a écrit : >> >> Dear all, >> >> >> Volkswagen confirmed to me that Golf 8 has an ITS station unit with >> ITS-G5 built in. In order to get it activated the owner needs to >> "sign in". >> >> >> Hans-Joachim >> >> Am 13.01.2020 um 17:38 schrieb Alexandre Petrescu: >>> the first hands-on reviews of the VW 8 are in the printed press: no >>> sign of WLANp, nor ITS-G5 or C2C messaging as of yet. It might be >>> because the reviewer is not interested in these aspects (no other >>> mentioning of other connectivity features like webradio or wifi on >>> board or remote software update) or it might be because these WLANp >>> features are absent from actual deployment. >>> >>> the first VW Golf 8 is announced to be sold in France for mid 2020, >>> with prices announced in March. >>> >>> Le 04/12/2019 à 17:10, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit : >>>> I got to learn about VW Golf 8th generation (VW Golf 8, VW 8 for our >>>> discussion). >>>> >>>> On Oct. 24th they announced it on the web; it says uniquely >>>> (strangely) >>>> 'WLANp' and 'Car2X'. These seem terms only use by VW, while others >>>> say >>>> 802.11p or Car2Car Consortium or V2X. The announcement in French text >>>> says 'WiFi' instead of 802.11p, which is wrong again. >>>> >>>> Some of the features in the announcement text make think there is some >>>> Bluetooth and NFC in there as well (WeConnect), and also CarPlay, >>>> AndroidAuto. I cant figure out whether there is SIM card inside, like >>>> in Tesla. (be it software or a typical hard sim). >>>> >>>> VW 8 might hit the road in Spring or Summer 2020. >>>> >>>> It is not clear whether the Car2X/WLANp features are series >>>> features, or >>>> extras to be paid for. Other announcements in America (Caddillac was >>>> that?) did the same, and the 11p was something additional to be >>>> sold for >>>> a series car. >>>> >>>> Once VW 8 is on the market, there are few places (Grenoble, Paris >>>> area, >>>> Versailles) where I discussed with people and might be interested to >>>> learn whether that VW 8 understands the RSUs in these areas. >>>> >>>> VW made a similar announcement of a series car 'Arteon' in 2017 and >>>> later in 2018 that is controlled by infrastructure (respect speed >>>> limits); that could only be with V2X. However, it did not materialize >>>> once the car hit the roads. Or at least I am not aware of that >>>> materialization. >>>> >>>> A discussion I had with someone who knows someone explains that a >>>> competitor of VW (Daimler) is more interested in the cellular aspects >>>> (e.g. LTE-V2X, even if this term itself is more of a VW term some >>>> times), and not at all in 802.11p, which is itself not right (the >>>> right >>>> term is 802.11-OCB). >>>> >>>> (a final note about cellular systems with V2X capabilities: the >>>> features >>>> of cellular systems that are specific to cars like direct V2V >>>> connectivity, or V2V2I, were announced many times in the past for >>>> 2.5G, >>>> 3G and 4G; they were never put to market either). >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> its mailing list >>>> its@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> its mailing list >>> its@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its >> >> -- >> Dr. Hans-Joachim Fischer >> Managing Director >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> ESF News edition 2019/1 >> https://fischer-tech.eu/News/ >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> CEN/TC 278/WG 16/PT 1605 >> https://www.itsstandards.eu/cits/shc >> CooperativeSecureITS@itsstandards.info >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> + + + Instaurare omnia in Christo + + + >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The information contained in this message is confidential and may be >> legally >> privileged. 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- [ipwave] VW Golf 8 and WiFi/WLANp/Car2X Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] VW Golf 8 and WiFi/WLANp/Car2X Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] VW Golf 8 and WiFi/WLANp/Car2X Dr. Hans-Joachim Fischer
- Re: [ipwave] VW Golf 8 and WiFi/WLANp/Car2X Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [ipwave] VW Golf 8 and WiFi/WLANp/Car2X Alexandre Petrescu
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