Re: [ipwave] Roman Danyliw's Abstain on draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-30: (with COMMENT)

"Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong" <jaehoon.paul@gmail.com> Thu, 03 November 2022 01:40 UTC

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Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2022 10:39:34 +0900
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Subject: Re: [ipwave] Roman Danyliw's Abstain on draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-30: (with COMMENT)
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Hi Roman,
Thanks for your review and comments.

Erik,
I think you can let this IPWAVE PS draft move forward as IESG approval.

IESG members,
Thanks for your help to improve this draft.

Best Regards,
Paul




On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 7:42 AM Roman Danyliw via Datatracker <
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> Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-30: Abstain
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> Thank you to Daniel Migault for the SECDIR review.
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> Thank you for making edits in response to my DISCUSS positions.  Despite
> these
> changes, it is my assessment that the security and privacy properties are
> not
> sufficiently described given the wide array of enabling technologies cited
> (e.g., credit-based authorization models, blockchain based authentication
> and
> logging, in vehicle credit card transactions).  Furthermore, the document
> references architectural elements such as “legal vehicles” and “legal …
> smartphones”; and threats such as “privacy breakage” without sufficient
> explanation.
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> For the reasons above and a few noted by Rob Wilton in his ballot, I am
> abstaining on this document.  The IESG DISCUSS criteria
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> https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/iesg-discuss-criteria/#stand-disc
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> is not applicable to my above concerns since no protocol is being
> described and
> the guidance presented here is not intended to be implemented without
> significant further design and specification.
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