Re: [ipwave] Intdir early review of draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 - free or not free access to 802.11-2016 document

[Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>]

Hi Rob,
Thank you for the logging with new personal account.

Was it a "IEEE Xplore Subscription for Individual Access (for Personal 
Use Only)"?

(which button did you use to create an account?)

(also I am surprised you were asked for a physical address; when I tried 
to register as Organisation they just asked for City, no more details 
about address).

Alex

Le 08/04/2019 à 17:46, Rob Wilton (rwilton) a écrit :
> Hi Alex,
> 
> I created and logged in using a new personal account (not from the Cisco corporate network).  I also needed to add a physical address, but after that I was able to download the pdf version of the standard to my phone at no charge.
> 
> So, I believe that this document (IEEE 802.11-2016) is currently freely available.
> 
> However, I'm not sure whether this particular version will still be freely available if a new version of the 802.11 standard is published.  I might be wrong, but I think that just that latest version that is at least 6 months old that is available at no charge, after that you need to pay (or get it via a personal/corporate IEEE membership) ... certainly that is what the website seems to indicate if I try and access an older revision of the IEEE 802.11 standard.
> 
> HTH,
> Rob
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ietf <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Alexandre Petrescu
>> Sent: 08 April 2019 16:31
>> To: Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>; Carsten Bormann
>> <[e-mail]>
>> Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]; draft-
>> [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
>> Subject: Re: Intdir early review of draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb-34 -
>> free or not free access to 802.11-2016 document
>>
>> a knowledgeable person tells in private we could share the document in a
>> peer-to-peer manner.  I thank.
>>
>> but there is still no free access to the IEEE 802.11-2016 document, so I keep
>> "Description freely available" and I do not put "document freely available".
>>
>> I will check back tomorrow.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> Le 08/04/2019 à 16:35, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :
>>> Carsten,
>>>
>>> Le 08/04/2019 à 16:17, Carsten Bormann a écrit :
>>>> On Apr 8, 2019, at 15:02, Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
>>>> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For all I know, IEEE documents are generally available for free 6
>>>>> months after the publication.
>>>>
>>>> (This is true specifically for IEEE 802 documents through the get802
>>>> program, and a few other places they have seen the light.  Generally,
>>>> IEEE’s business model is still largely based on selling documents.)
>>>
>>> I can agree with the principle.
>>>
>>> In this particular case, is it too much that I ask you to please
>>> download this 802.11-2016 document
>>> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7786995
>>>
>>> If you already have an account via an organisation, please remove it
>>> from the Options of your browser (so it does not pre-fill the form
>>> with some password) and try to follow the IEEE procedure to maybe make
>>> a new one.
>>>
>>> If you access IEEE via an organisation's IP address (so your
>>> organisation's name is seen at the top of the page) then try to access
>>> it from home, or from smartphone.
>>>
>>> If you think the IEEE GET Program gives some additional access ("With
>>> support from the IEEE-SA, industry sponsors, and government, a number
>>> of IEEE standards are available for download at no cost.  This
>>> program, entitled IEEE GET ProgramTM, grants public access to view
>>> and/or download these current individual standards.) please go to its
>>> URL and see that they list 802.11 but then it points to the same URL
>>> as at the beginning of this email, so cant download.
>>>
>>> If it is too much to ask, sorry.
>>>
>>> (I already asked a co-author to do this - no answer; and another
>>> knowledgeable person just now doubts in private the availability
>>> statements).
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>