Re: [iucg] [discuss] What is MSism?

[Michel Gauthier <[e-mail]>]

Dear Greg,

Jorge wants us to use plain language. I think it is sometimes simpler 
than trying to diplomatically to make things understood. There are 
two main types of mailing lists: the ones whith "contributors", and 
the one with also "interlocutors" using the lists buzz to "discuss 
without openly discussing". If you do not consider yourself as an 
interlocutor negociating something, you are for them interesting 
contributor who is being used as a cover.  You know better. Not my cup of  tea.

I LOVE these later lists. Because the best interest of the 
interlcutors is to tell the truth in a way that irritates the 
contributors, and hence augments the buzz, is unnoticed and can be 
quoted further on ("I told you and you did not consider: your 
responsibility"). Some are mail-combat to warn adversaries, mark 
territories or even provoke results. Others are negociations. Like 
this one, I feel. Pre-Sao Paulo.

This feeling of mine (from the mood - not from the content which is 
quite complex) is that for now most of the fundamental information 
has been exchanged and confirmed. Some details remain to be 
clarified. Orientations are settled. Future ICANN mailing lists, 
working groups, debates, meetings, contributions, etc. will only be 
for brainwashing. The outcome will emerge from what is now 
established (dont ask me: I am an analyst, not a guru) and from 
pratical development in the months to come. I would says there is 
probably a good mutual understanding among "strategists", and common 
misunderstandings of the usefull "believers". This is usually the 
case, except that in this case there as a long term indoctrination to 
consider concerning a large number of States and Stakeholders; and an 
extremely tight and precise calendar for two years - since Dubai preparation.

Anyway, now has come the time of the writers of the official 
statements and presentation speakers. They may help understanding 
what has been settled, or prepare the next step. Probably not before 
end of 2015, unless there are planned last minute or out of sequence shoots.

M G

At 17:06 26/03/2014, Shatan, Gregory S. wrote:
>Michel:
>
>You are incorrect.  I read George’s entire email, as well as both 
>of Jefsey’s emails.  Following that, I posted the email to which you replied.
>
>I see no reason to assume that George will not “apply his own 
>rules to himself.”  I believe his prior posts are consistent with 
>his “rules.”  He has not posted since the “rules” 
>post.  Therefore, not only is the “I will when you will” 
>position unproductive, it has no factual basis.  In any event, these 
>are not “George’s rules”; a number of participants in the list 
>have already indicated their appreciation for and agreement to abide 
>by these rules of “Netiquette.”
>
>As to your comment that I “do not know how to comment [on] 
>JFC[‘s] definitions”; I find that, in George’s words, 
>“disdainful and impolite.”  I may or may not respond or 
>otherwise discuss the issue of what multistakeholderism 
>is.  If  don’t, it is not because I lack the ability or talents to 
>do so.  If I felt it was the best use of my limited time, I would 
>respond.  If not, it is because I find other things here more 
>pressing, relevant or fruitful.
>
>Greg Shatan