Re: [iucg] [discuss] Utopia was Re: [] Survey

There is, of course, also international law. Some of it in the form of
conventions, some in the form of custom. Let's not forget about this
normative order which can greatly influence how international actors
behave. It is through international law, for example, that we can assess
the legality of pervasive Internet monitoring; it is through international
law that we can establish binding rules. I am not saying that all questions
will be solved by international legal approaches, but we should not
completely forget this important field in a haze of themis and theory.
Let's stay real.

Kind regards
Matthias

Disclaimer: I am kind of fond of international law. It keeps my children
fed.

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Jefsey <jefsey@jefsey.com> wrote:

> At 21:32 05/03/2014, Elisabeth Blanconil wrote:
>
>> the Themis was the natural law as seen by the Greeks. It included the
>> gods, the lessons from greek history, etc. In the present case one could
>> claim that the Themis equivalent is the current geek paradigm. This
>> paradigm has been reworded by the I*people (RFC 6852). Do you accept it
>> after your appeals due to your recent comments that they missed a final
>> referent but that an MS principle could replace such a referent? Would the
>> DNSA be an acceptable referent?
>>
>
> I did not go into details. The French Govs position, if I understand it
> well, is that the Cyber Right has many common points with the Sea Right. In
> the Themis (as a Greek and not a Humanity law of the universe) there are
> the philia (a strong human friendship, as humans) and a war etiquette (like
> in China's second millenary) which are quite similar the seamen's
> solidarity. There is the same kind of connivance in the Libre, among
> hackers and geeks. But nothing so strong, and it stays at individual level.
>
> IRT the DNSA this would be confusing a part and the whole. The whole is
> the digisphere, of which the internet is a component, of which its DNS is
> currently a part. My point about RFC 6852 is that actually the I*leaders
> are being used and ISOC does not represent anything architectural anymore.
> So, they have not the credibility to enforce or arbitrate anything. In this
> case OpenStand is only a way for the IAB not to be politically responsible
> for a technology which is now outside of any control by a single guru,
> agent or board. So, it is a wild economic west, where the IUsers will
> eventually win and dispute the leadership among themselves. This is where a
> technical governance is necessary, but the arena of this governance exists
> already because on a network you need to test your running code in living
> mode. So, you are known - the press is the technical IGF.
>
> jfc
>
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