Re: [iucg] [Ianaplan] General purpose number registries & policy engagement

Jefsey <jefsey@jefsey.com> Wed, 22 October 2014 16:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: [iucg] [Ianaplan] General purpose number registries & policy engagement
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At 22:24 21/10/2014, Suzanne Woolf wrote:
>In fact this is one of the basic principles that keep the rest of 
>the system coherent.

What actually keeps the system "coherent" (I would say "closed") is 
that the ISPs chose that their routers support TCP/IP + accept the 
RIR addressing plan. Obviously, this is for marketing and political 
reasons (these people are nationally incorporated corporations). In 
addition, any political decision to do otherwise or innovation that 
would permit them to do more (support other technologies, other 
addressing plans) might meet license (BCP 78) problems and IANA use 
political/compatibility issues. This protects "status-quo" of the 
unachieved architecture

Under that circumstance, the IETF Trust ownership is an advisable 
do-no-better makeshift until BCP78 is replaced by a CC BY SA licence 
or a chinese wall big work simplifies the way to use the world 
digital infrastructure in publishing a Free Wolrd Digital Reference 
Book with Catenet, Internet, Interplus, Brainware layers parts and 
online acess to updated tables.

Things take time. 30 years of strategic status quo ...
jfc