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[Jmap] Re: Mahesh Jethanandani's Discuss on draft-ietf-jmap-contacts-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Neil Jenkins <neilj@fastmailteam.com> Fri, 07 June 2024 00:47 UTC

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 10:47:03 +1000
From: Neil Jenkins <neilj@fastmailteam.com>
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On Fri, 7 Jun 2024, at 05:00, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote:
> In other words, JMAP does not want to mandate what the behavior of a ContactCard that exist in multiple AddressBooks, look like, when it is removed. That is kind of unfortunate, as the expected behavior will vary amongst implementations, with a user not sure what option is implemented. Did the WG consider the question, and agreed that it was ok with the ambiguity of the behavior?

Yes, it's the same compromise we did with JMAP Mail. Realistically, servers will be implementing older protocols as well for some time, and this was considered a reasonable compromise to make it easier to support both while transitioning.

Cheers,
Neil.

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