From nobody Thu Nov 19 07:06:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jmap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jmap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112453A0A26 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2020 07:06:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fastmail.com header.b=GTUNRzpM; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=iApwq2yU Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xw4_p6CxqRdc for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2020 07:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4D153A09F1 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2020 07:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1C3803; Thu, 19 Nov 2020 10:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 19 Nov 2020 10:06:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=fm1; bh=S 1OetyZNOHc8DnTUKU4i8r6cJ23U32tNXuaPDva1mGY=; b=GTUNRzpMGoR5sD5oS Rz4fXGK3lkQrdWtiPWCDY/2kreWvCBK7WC7zgNz1ehEzcNz95qxmoPJvnwC0ZpdJ mbM9BdEsNrxEGmADVV6eP+JTlKJK0aeyWXOCiY+finTT3Ie53kAX7mG1LrJxa3jy 7hZ0OUBAk4xK1QXek4U3nyFFxzs5Wiq/bmrvUJHVcMy3oMnhiyyw411pgT3xQj7p 7BiI01jqTqFOdOHFmBdfAxfYjAj4NfVvyzexgoXaErlSzZrEO8DUOWr4y6Iu4Ekl 43zSLeWDpZIIRrQDHuRutde7fsoYVyOeauOpMvpUnFb7oaw5u3z3ddz0rDcBioY7 nxGeQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=S1OetyZNOHc8DnTUKU4i8r6cJ23U32tNXuaPDva1m GY=; b=iApwq2yUfGYdaAGoO8POWH+1WB9sXJqGWj5mVFiVFDFLYV7xbsehfBhTE GLzaVy8MktXxZXuZAb2OyLeaxVTBZatU1e11ajJ6ISYVh+RH3gBZ0Upoq/S3aePQ CGWLzWglGsmhthBFgJIgrREC5TlZRzDGbf49VYolSkY+NkhZvK2qLq6CEOS5tggk GtdtcR4vvkJt4033EkBouGrU+/YtarGM3kObus/yLY/oEYkcc5hw7OOirdm4/LwW lcJIQVjPjT2YdVAcWZYHukoJuSdBoAeLyoPlWVZLNCNxrAFQe4qoh7B5p9iejMWl I8r3RWu88bH/3OkuCS2WaQucc2oFQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedujedrudefjedgjedvucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfesthekredttdefjeenucfhrhhomhepmfgvnhcu ofhurhgthhhishhonhcuoehmuhhrtghhsehfrghsthhmrghilhdrtghomheqnecuggftrf grthhtvghrnhephefhgfetleeuveeutdfhfeeuvdeukefgkeejueeuhfdtleehteffgfdv teeuueejnecukfhppeejgedrjeejrdekhedrvdehtdenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpe dtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmuhhrtghhsehfrghsthhmrghilhdrtgho mh X-ME-Proxy: Received: from [192.168.1.22] (cpe-74-77-85-250.buffalo.res.rr.com [74.77.85.250]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0F93E3280060; Thu, 19 Nov 2020 10:06:45 -0500 (EST) To: Ned Freed Cc: jmap@ietf.org References: <160431690732.22434.10293492942158194310@ietfa.amsl.com> <36838c43-aefb-c7f9-d973-2e6f8df5e78f@open-xchange.com> <01RS6NIC0KZC005PTU@mauve.mrochek.com> <01RS6QFKSX1U0085YQ@mauve.mrochek.com> From: Ken Murchison Message-ID: <26b87332-75b7-9c98-7eab-482e4c4c427d@fastmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 10:06:44 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <01RS6QFKSX1U0085YQ@mauve.mrochek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jmap] I-D Action: draft-ietf-jmap-sieve-02.txt X-BeenThere: jmap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: JSON Message Access Protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 15:06:48 -0000 On 11/19/20 9:54 AM, Ned Freed wrote: >> Don't we have the same single-script/multi-script client issue with >> managesieve? > > Yes. That's kind of the point. > >> Or perhaps I'm not fully understanding your concern. > >> A separate question that comes to mind, is do we want JMAP Sieve servers >> to be able to only support a single script?  I guess in this case, the >> server could simply have a single script with id "singleton" which can >> only be updated and (de)activated.  Any attempt to create another script >> or destroy the existing one would fail with a "singleton" error. > > Indeed. It seems like we're asking a lot of clients here. And if the > past is > any indication, we're likely to be disappointed by what we get. So, its sounds like you're making an argument that JMAP Sieve should always operate on a singleton.  Am I correct? Obviously, this takes the Sieve "include" extension of the table. -- Kenneth Murchison Senior Software Developer Fastmail US LLC