Re: [Jmap] [calsify] JSContact: gender property
Ken Murchison <murch@fastmail.com> Thu, 23 December 2021 13:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Jmap] [calsify] JSContact: gender property
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I also wonder if we might want to add a property for a user's preferred pronouns. vCard doesn't currently have such a property, but it was mentioned somewhere (CalConnect?) that this is something that should be considered as an addition. I believe that I have a draft of a draft for such a vCard property laying around somewhere. On 12/23/21 8:37 AM, Robert Stepanek wrote: > One open question for JSContact was if and how to store > gender-specific information for a contact. In the next RFC version, we > intend to address this by introduction of the "grammaticalGender" > property. We look forward to your feedback. > > * The "grammaticalGender" property defines which grammatical gender > to use to address or refer to the contact that is represented by > the JSContact object. > * For example, several human languages require a grammatical gender > for salutations. In German the salutations "Sehr geehrte" and > "Sehr geehrter" are used for single-person female and male > addreeses, respectively. The "grammaticalGender" property defines > which gender to use in this case. Its value can be overridden per > language in the "localizations" property. > * The allowed values are (in alphabetical order): "animate", > "female", "inanimate", "male", "neuter". Other grammatical genders > need to be registered. > > > A related property in VCARD is the GENDER > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6350#section-6.2.7> > property, which aims to store both the biological sex and the gender > identity of a contact. However, GENDER does not adequately address the > purpose of the "grammaticalGender" property: > > * human sex and grammatical gender of a contact may differ, so the > biological sex component of GENDER is no indicator how to > grammatically address this contact. > * the gender identity of GENDER is a free-text value, which > introduces ambiguity which grammatical gender to use. The examples > for GENDER strengthen this assumption. > > > This leaves the question if we need to introduce an additional > property to map GENDER to JSContact. We do not think so: > > * It seems that the majority of applications used the biological sex > component of GENDER to store the grammatical gender of a contact. > This now is provided by the "grammaticalGender" property and > mapping from VCARD to JSContact should be straight-forward. > * For applications that actually require to store biological sex, > the current definition of the GENDER sex component seems > inadequate. While it allows for a superset ofISO/IEC 521 > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_5218>8, it does not > support for "intersex" (Note how the examples for GENDER suggest > to store "intersex" as gender identity, which does not allow > intersex persons to define a preferred gender identity). In > addition, even biological sex seems to be ambiguous > <https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)32764-3/fulltext>. > * We do not know if a free-text gender identity is useful for > applications. Gender studies suggest that gender identities may > differ by context and that there as many genders likely to exist > as human beings. This suggests that more complex value types might > be required. Most likely, processing of gender is > application-specific and we are no experts to provide a standard > that fits all requirements. > > > Cheers, > Robert > > P.S.: Cross-posting this both to JMAP and CALEXT as both working > groups have expertise on address book and contact applications. > > _______________________________________________ > calsify mailing list > calsify@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/calsify -- Kenneth Murchison Senior Software Developer Fastmail US LLC
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- Re: [Jmap] [calsify] JSContact: gender property Ken Murchison
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- Re: [Jmap] [calsify] JSContact: gender property Neil Jenkins
- Re: [Jmap] [calsify] JSContact: gender property Darcy Iris
- Re: [Jmap] [calsify] JSContact: gender property Robert Stepanek
- Re: [Jmap] [calsify] JSContact: gender property Joris Baum
- Re: [Jmap] JSContact: gender property Robert Stepanek
- Re: [Jmap] [calsify] JSContact: gender property Robert Stepanek