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Thank you, Neil, for your reply.

About the plural form for urn:ietf:params:jmap:principals, may I suggest to=
 update the text of section 1.5.1 because it is really implying that there =
is a single principal.

For your other points, my comments were non-blocking anyway ;-)

Best regards

-=E9ric

From: Neil Jenkins <neilj@fastmailteam.com>
Date: Thursday, 18 April 2024 at 08:08
To: Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com>, iesg <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-jmap-sharing@ietf.org <draft-ietf-jmap-sharing@ietf.org>, jm=
ap-chairs@ietf.org <jmap-chairs@ietf.org>, IETF JMAP Mailing List <jmap@iet=
f.org>, Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmailteam.com>, arnt.gulbrandsen@icann.org =
<arnt.gulbrandsen@icann.org>
Subject: Re: =C9ric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-jmap-sharing-08: (w=
ith COMMENT)
Hi =C9ric,

Thank you for your comments.

- the abstract and contents present this I-D as a "data model" but, in my o=
wn
view, a data model does not include "methods" or actions. Suggest to augmen=
t
the abstract to also mention "methods"

I have left this as it was, as the introduction starts with a brief descrip=
tion of JMAP as a "generic protocol for synchronizing data", and the method=
s are just standard JMAP methods for doing this. I think it will be clear t=
o anyone working in the ecosystem.

- even with a i18n section, section 2
allows for only one unknown-language version of "description" - section 1.5=
.1

This is true, and the same applies to name. Being able to provide multiple =
versions of the property with associated language tags adds a lot of comple=
xity while being unlikely to be used widely in practice. It could of course=
 be added by a future document.

I wonder why the plural form is used in urn:ietf:params:jmap:principals as =
there
can be only one principal

You can have more than one Principal, in fact a system with only one would =
not be very useful. Each Principal represents a user, group, or other entit=
y with which you could share something.

Cheers,
Neil.


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;mso-f=
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areast-language:EN-US">About the plural form for
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 section 1.5.1 because it is really implying that there is a single princip=
al.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">For your other points, my comments were non-blocking=
 anyway ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<b><span style=3D"color:black">From: </span></b><span style=3D"color:black"=
>Neil Jenkins &lt;neilj@fastmailteam.com&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 18 April 2024 at 08:08<br>
<b>To: </b>Eric Vyncke (evyncke) &lt;evyncke@cisco.com&gt;, iesg &lt;iesg@i=
etf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>draft-ietf-jmap-sharing@ietf.org &lt;draft-ietf-jmap-sharing@iet=
f.org&gt;, jmap-chairs@ietf.org &lt;jmap-chairs@ietf.org&gt;, IETF JMAP Mai=
ling List &lt;jmap@ietf.org&gt;, Bron Gondwana &lt;brong@fastmailteam.com&g=
t;, arnt.gulbrandsen@icann.org &lt;arnt.gulbrandsen@icann.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: =C9ric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-jmap-sharing=
-08: (with COMMENT)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">Hi =C9ric,<o:p></o:p></=
p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">Thank you for your comm=
ents.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">- the abstract and cont=
ents present this I-D as a &quot;data model&quot; but, in my own<o:p></o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">view, a data model does=
 not include &quot;methods&quot; or actions. Suggest to augment<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">the abstract to also me=
ntion &quot;methods&quot;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">I have left this as it =
was, as the introduction starts with a brief description of JMAP as a &quot=
;generic protocol for synchronizing data&quot;, and the methods are just st=
andard JMAP methods for doing this. I think it
 will be clear to anyone working in the ecosystem.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">- even with a i18n sect=
ion, section 2<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">allows for only one unk=
nown-language version of &quot;description&quot; - section 1.5.1<o:p></o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">This is true, and the s=
ame applies to name. Being able to provide multiple versions of the propert=
y with associated language tags adds a lot of complexity while being unlike=
ly to be used widely in practice. It
 could of course be added by a future document.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">I wonder why the plural=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">can be only one princip=
al<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt">You can have more than =
one Principal, in fact a system with only one would not be very useful. Eac=
h Principal represents a user, group, or other entity with which you could =
share something.<o:p></o:p></p>
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