Re: [jose] canonical JSON
Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com> Wed, 20 February 2013 00:16 UTC
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From: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>
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Cc: Daniel Holth <dholth@gmail.com>, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>, jose <jose@ietf.org>, "Matt Miller (mamille2)" <mamille2@cisco.com>, John Bradley <ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com>, "Manger, James H" <James.H.Manger@team.telstra.com>
Subject: Re: [jose] canonical JSON
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Nothing's preventing people from using the JWK as the payload of a JWS if you want to sign/MAC it - just like Matt's draft uses it as the payload of a JWE. Problem solved. ;-) -- Mike -----Original Message----- From: jose-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:jose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Justin Richer Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:41 PM To: Mike Jones Cc: Daniel Holth; Richard Barnes; jose; Matt Miller (mamille2); John Bradley; Manger, James H Subject: Re: [jose] canonical JSON Since JWKs are passed around as JSON documents, and order/spacing/formatting of JSON documents isn't guaranteed, this approach won't work. -- Justin On 02/19/2013 05:19 PM, Mike Jones wrote: > A SHA-256 hash of the base64url encoding of the UTF-8 representation of JWK seems like a fine fingerprint that requires no canonicalization. > > -- Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: jose-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:jose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of John Bradley > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:16 PM > To: Matt Miller (mamille2) > Cc: Richard Barnes; Daniel Holth; Manger, James H; jose > Subject: Re: [jose] canonical JSON > > I suspect that a way to fingerprint a subset of a JWK is what is desired. e.g. probably font want to include "kid" as you may want to use the fingerprint for that. > > I suspect that is possible without trying to come up with a general method to canonicallise JSON. > > One might be to ASN1 encode it:) No that is crazy speak. > > I do empathize for the desire to have fingerprints without resorting to DER encoding. > > If we scope the problem down to having a canonical representation for a limited set of jwk elements that may be worth pursuing. > > > John B. > On 2013-02-19, at 5:35 PM, "Matt Miller (mamille2)" <mamille2@cisco.com> wrote: > >> I know I'm still reeling from canonicalization (c14n) issues in XML, but I can put that aside. It would be nice to have JWK fingerprinting. >> >> I can see value in each JWK type defining what is canonical; I'm less thrilled limiting metadata to a specific place, but could live with that. I can see where excluding metadata can get us in trouble later, but I think that would mean having a much more robust c14n approach. >> >> By the way, there is going to be a JSON BoF in Orlando, and c14n seems like a good thing to bring up there. >> >> >> - m&m >> >> Matt Miller < mamille2@cisco.com > >> Cisco Systems, Inc. >> >> PS: 42 vs 4.2e0 vs 4.2e1 >> >> On Feb 19, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> wrote: >> >>> So your fingerprint algorithm would be something like the following? >>> >>> INPUT: JWK >>> 1. Remove "metadata" fields. So, for RSA, you would be left with >>> {"kty", "n", "e"} 2. Convert stripped JWK to canonical form 3. >>> Compute digest over canonical form >>> >>> That seems generally agreeable to me. >>> >>> For (1) to be possible, you would need to define which fields are >>> covered in the fingerprint for each key type ("kty" value). Or, >>> alternatively, you could restructure JWK so that metadata fields are grouped into a "meta" >>> sub-dict. Which might be nice anyway. >>> >>> For (2), I agree that there is probably a better canonicalization >>> than CJSON. The code I pasted earlier implements the following >>> changes from RFC >>> 4627: >>> -- Object fields must be in lexicographic order, sorted by field >>> name >>> -- No white space allowed >>> -- Numbers: Exponent part must use 'e' >>> -- Numbers: Exponent part must not use '+' >>> -- Numbers: Fraction part must not have trailing zeros >>> -- Strings: All characters must be escaped ISTM that those changes >>> are fairly minimal, and avoid some of the CJSON problems that have >>> been discussed above. Reasonably people can disagree over the string >>> aspect; if you want less expansion, you could do things like exempt >>> printable ASCII. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Daniel Holth <dholth@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Manger, James H < >>>> James.H.Manger@team.telstra.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> A canonical form of JSON might be fairly easy, but the one you >>>>> quote ( >>>>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Canonical_JSON) can't handle floating >>>>> point numbers (or very large integers), and produces invalid JSON >>>>> if a string includes a tab! Fix those (escaping control chars >>>>> [\u0000-\u001f]; use normalized scientific notation for numbers) >>>>> and it might be worth >>>>> considering.**** >>>>> >>>>> ** ** >>>>> >>>>> Defining JOSE calculations in terms of 1 or more byte arrays, the >>>>> first of which is a UTF-8-encoded JSON header, would be useful. It >>>>> can then be packaged as dot-separated base64url-encoded segments >>>>> to be HTTP-header-friendly, or packaged as a single JSON object to >>>>> be programmer-friendly, or packaged as raw bytes to be efficient. >>>>> >>>> I am only proposing a key fingerprinting specification that does >>>> not employ DER encoding. JWKs do not contain tabs or floating point numbers. >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jose mailing list >>> jose@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jose >> _______________________________________________ >> jose mailing list >> jose@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jose > _______________________________________________ > jose mailing list > jose@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jose _______________________________________________ jose mailing list jose@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jose
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