Re: [Json] REMINDER - WGLC Ends 2013-10-11

Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> Fri, 11 October 2013 23:07 UTC

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Since the normative definitions are isomorphic, there is no benefit to the
reader in making them go somewhere else to discover what is already present
in this document, and that would be the only effect of removing the syntax
specification, especially since there is no intention anywhere that the
syntax ever change.  -T


On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Allen Wirfs-Brock <allen@wirfs-brock.com>wrote;wrote:

> We really should avoid having two (Ecma-404 and rfc4627bis) normative
> syntax specifications for JSON text.  Since it is claimed that the 4627bis
> ABNF recognizes the same language as that described by the Ecma-404 syntax
> diagrams it would seem more appropriate for 4627bis to narratively
> reference Ecma-404 and say that the 4627bis ABNF is an informative
> restatement of the Ecma-404 syntax specification.
>
> Notational preference really isn't a very good reason to have  two
> different normative definitions of the same thing.
>
> Allen Wirfs-Brock
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