Re: [Json] Nudging the English-language vs. formalisms discussion forward

John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org> Wed, 19 February 2014 16:31 UTC

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Tim Bray scripsit:

> I feel that successful Internet interoperation is achieved at the level of
> syntax; clear specification of which bytes should be sent and which
> returned.  

  It took me years to realise how deep and important the divide is between
  wanting an SDK and wanting to know the underlying protocol. Too much of
  our biz can only see one of these realities. I grew up with networked
  minicomputers and (mostly) Unix, and maybe that's why, in the final
  analysis, I always want to see the bits on the wire, because in the
  final analysis, given any programmable device, I can work with them.
        --Tim Bray, some time before 2001

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