Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate names in objects
Stephan Beal <sgbeal@googlemail.com> Mon, 08 July 2013 08:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate names in objects
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On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Markus Lanthaler <markus.lanthaler@gmx.net>wrote: > On Monday, July 08, 2013 9:17 AM, Vinny A wrote: > > Could people come to a consensus on this if the proposed wording was > > similar to the above? I.e "Implementations MUST NOT send duplicate names; > > if received, parsers MAY NOT process the JSON, instead issuing an error. > > If implementations insist on supporting duplicated names, they MUST > > process in the following manner (insert boilerplate warnings about > > undesirable behavior)." > > I personally could certainly live with something like this but the "MUST > NOT send" is problematic as such data exists and we shouldn't invalidate > it. Changing that to SHOULD NOT would probably be something more people > would be equally (un)happy with. > >From me, certainly. i don't see "MUST NOT SEND" as being too helpful because the receivers need to be able to recognize the existence of dupes in that case. i.e. it implies a MUST on the consumers, and the "must" on the consumers is what i find most prickly in this particular topic. -- ----- stephan beal http://wanderinghorse.net/home/stephan/ http://gplus.to/sgbeal
- [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate name… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Vinny A
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Stefan Drees
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Eliot Lear
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Eliot Lear
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Stefan Drees
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Markus Lanthaler
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Eliot Lear
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Tatu Saloranta
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Pete Resnick
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Eliot Lear
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Stefan Drees
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Matthew Morley
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Tatu Saloranta
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Jorge
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Jim Schaad
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Jim Schaad
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Tatu Saloranta
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Jim Schaad
- [Json] Duplicate names: are they erroneous or not? John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Duplicate names: are they erroneous or… Stefan Drees
- Re: [Json] Duplicate names: are they erroneous or… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Tatu Saloranta
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Tatu Saloranta
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Stephan Beal
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Vinny A
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Eliot Lear
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Markus Lanthaler
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Stephan Beal
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Eliot Lear
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Tatu Saloranta
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … Tatu Saloranta
- Re: [Json] Proposed minimal change for duplicate … John Cowan