Re: [Json] Call for Consensus: Proposed Text for "8.1 Character Encoding"
Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> Sat, 13 May 2017 17:40 UTC
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From: Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com>
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 10:37:01 -0700
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To: Pete Cordell <petejson@codalogic.com>
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Subject: Re: [Json] Call for Consensus: Proposed Text for "8.1 Character Encoding"
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I’m meh on the network-or-not language. I have one source of heartburn. The stated purpose of 7159bis is to achieve harmony with ECMA 404. That document does *not* constrain JSON encoding. I’m fine with saying that JSON has to be UTF-8, but I think we should consult with ECMA and see if the goal of spec harmonization is still possible if we make the UTF-8 restriction. I’m much more positive about the UTF-8 restriction than the ECMA harmony (which I think is ridiculous political bushwah) but at least the WG should know the context before making a call. On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Pete Cordell <petejson@codalogic.com> wrote: > On 10/05/2017 18:13, Matthew A. Miller wrote: > >> Assuming the Working Group finds that scope acceptable and finds UTF-8 >> only acceptable, here is a starting proposal for text: >> >> """ >> 8.1. Character Encoding >> >> When transmitting over a network protocol, JSON text MUST be >> encoded in UTF-8 (Section 3 of [UNICODE]). >> >> Previous specifications of JSON have not required the use of UTF-8 >> when transmitting JSON text. However, the vast majority of >> JSON-based software implementations have chosen to use the UTF-8 >> encoding, to the extent that it is the only encoding that achieves >> interoperability. >> >> Implementations MUST NOT add a byte order mark (U+FEFF) to the >> beginning of a JSON text. In the interests of interoperability, >> implementations that parse JSON texts MAY ignore the presence of a >> byte order mark rather than treating it as an error. >> """ >> >> If you find this acceptable, please indicate that. Otherwise, please >> provide suggested changes. >> > > > A strong +1 to the spirit of the proposal. > > I realise that the term "network protocol" is necessarily vague, but I > wonder if it might be possible to avoid some confusion with the likes of > NetBEUI (if that's still around) with a phrasing something like: > > When transmitted as the syntax of a network protocol, or as a > payload of a network protocol intended to be interpreted as part of > a protocol, JSON text MUST be encoded in UTF-8 (Section 3 of > [UNICODE]). > > Thanks, > > Pete > > > _______________________________________________ > json mailing list > json@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/json > -- - Tim Bray (If you’d like to send me a private message, see https://keybase.io/timbray)
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