Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-sequence
"Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Tue, 15 July 2014 08:14 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-sequence
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Hello Nico, On 2014/07/15 15:32, Nico Williams wrote: > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 10:09:31AM +0900, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote: >> [The above are just a reflection of the fact that I think that this >> format (it's not really a protocol) is unnecessary and therefore >> broken from the start, and therefore it's broken with whatever >> separator there is (except with ',', i.e. simply as a JSON array). >> The problem of diverging opinions is best solved by abandoning this >> spec.] > > Do you feel that the IESG ought to request that the RFC-Editor do not > publish if we pursue Informational RFC publication? Please explain in > detail how this protocol is harmful the Internet. "harmful" is a bit too strong. I used the word "unnecessary". Good engineering includes *not* doing stuff that isn't necessary. Good engineering includes avoiding unnecessary minor variants. Good engineering includes exploiting reusing solutions (i.e. JSON arrays), rather than reinventing (a slightly edgy) wheel. In my opinion, the IESG should never have chartered the WG for this work item, because the WG wasn't ever actually asked whether we want to work on this. It was just included in the follow-up work after completing the base spec for reasons that I can only speculate about (e.g. the new WG charter otherwise looking a bit thin?). In my view, it's never too late to abandon this work; I'd be sorry for the work you invested in drafting, but we could save the IESG, the IETF, and the RFC editor some work. The former two might be avoided if this is published as an independent contribution, but this would happen outside the WG. If that avenue is persued, I'd probably urge the IESG to request the addition of a comment explicitly saying that JSON arrays are a better solution. Anyway, I hope I don't have to spend too much time anymore on this, sorry. Regards, Martin.
- [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-sequence Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Manger, James
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… John Cowan
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Paul Hoffman
- [Json] LF and RS are equivalent (Re: The text in … Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… John Cowan
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] The text in draft-ietf-json-text-seque… Nico Williams