Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ietf-json-i-json-02
Mark Baker <distobj@acm.org> Mon, 07 July 2014 15:28 UTC
Return-Path: <mark@coactus.com>
X-Original-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: json@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159611A0305 for <json@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 08:28:01 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.278
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.278 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YO5yminzh3vv for <json@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pd0-f172.google.com (mail-pd0-f172.google.com [209.85.192.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EB3B1A0296 for <json@ietf.org>; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 08:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pd0-f172.google.com with SMTP id w10so5568581pde.3 for <json@ietf.org>; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 08:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=v1h+ZXotjM4BPCkg1VGPc5F7XF5d4Chc6OUzpeTCjJY=; b=QgQFw3e5nv3X7pMAGPyIeA/Vam3FBdV7UX+eI2J5gqjmumZVbk4xKOJiW81uK7CWa3 JV1dAAFAuL1wH30okUhiZvhE6eGivYu7tXrvgLZ+3F9XSJI51EsbGMyhdzC/HBHGJyIL wZz+pkPtJQ3UJHsN6lrsbM+uFtAO0RUWFTf3NGqD1IifCk4NHvvFTmWzYLhXm/4i0tHV col/S/nEu6ZNQaRjszzKefQz9/U/A7QSCi2wYVp2tUxm9ZjZiiuBI/D5HoNYHCoIw6b+ 9MuaxSYuQAihe1N3GRjwvTrJI1tzKae2H15caP/dGt7wVyNKjU4Z6o4SF8t3Bd/HaWBd 8lGQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkW0GMAVW/jXSYWLt4VgEqXyo/Oo5+IrLMD1l1LhLMULjA7w0M3Psnje/RK/hof1GC4VKPA
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.70.35.65 with SMTP id f1mr28927595pdj.85.1404746879630; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 08:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
Sender: mark@coactus.com
Received: by 10.70.91.108 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 08:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
X-Originating-IP: [192.0.216.13]
In-Reply-To: <043801cf99f1$7165f8b0$5431ea10$@gmx.net>
References: <CALcoZionwZ1gn0hkhq4sKcDKg3LK13+d-XvBzXUA4iHjS6PHNA@mail.gmail.com> <CAMm+LwgU5veinaNJ6ptLJ509QD3R5=LEbpfmNjZSy5C+8jfPXg@mail.gmail.com> <CAHBU6iuc2j4a5VYnrboMEMnAPxhs5i+iZxfpbfnN1oa3740TfQ@mail.gmail.com> <CALcoZioTakxzkuvrt1EgNAKS==NNskWJ1TLUjxtZ1TBGPD+EXw@mail.gmail.com> <CFDCB00F.52A7B%jhildebr@cisco.com> <3b407fff0cc14d5ba291cea58bacac4f@BL2PR02MB307.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> <CFDE30C2.52BE7%jhildebr@cisco.com> <CAHBU6itrQTvccZqTXDBo4MaK9Txu7gGfGh8mfS4Rmv73DwSXfQ@mail.gmail.com> <043801cf99f1$7165f8b0$5431ea10$@gmx.net>
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 11:27:59 -0400
X-Google-Sender-Auth: G2NBHSZwuH9RcII8jfMdz0YMQpw
Message-ID: <CALcoZipccdaR0rjqLjLS10hjaNjk1b_m-t3ZZcN8AAOQr41NwQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: Mark Baker <distobj@acm.org>
To: Markus Lanthaler <markus.lanthaler@gmx.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/json/M1QCSrB0020hSnigXGvDA9al0ts
Cc: JSON WG <json@ietf.org>, Phillip Hallam-Baker <ietf@hallambaker.com>, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com>, Joe Hildebrand <jhildebr@cisco.com>, Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com>
Subject: Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ietf-json-i-json-02
X-BeenThere: json@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: "JavaScript Object Notation \(JSON\) WG mailing list" <json.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/json>, <mailto:json-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/json/>
List-Post: <mailto:json@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:json-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/json>, <mailto:json-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 15:28:01 -0000
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Markus Lanthaler <markus.lanthaler@gmx.net> wrote: > On Sunday, July 06, 2014 7:13 AM, Tim Bray wrote: >> So, question: Is there anyone else who agrees with Mark's original >> argument that there ought to be a Media type for i-json. I wouldn't >> be wildly against it, but frankly can't see much of a practical upside. > > I don't think it makes much sense to define a separate media type for i-json and even less a media type suffix. Whether a I-JSON media type is required or not depends entirely on the use cases for I-JSON's existence. The only use case I've seen, from Joe, suggests a new media type would have some utility. But then others reject that use case. When I hear "a separate media type isn't needed", to me that means that I-JSON is to be used - and published - as a strict subset of JSON, aka it will not be part of the protocol spoken by Web clients and servers. One implication is that an I-JSON-unaware client/intermediary could consume some I-JSON, and e.g. add content with a duplicate key, then process and/or republish as non-I-JSON JSON. If the group doesn't consider that a problem, then great, you don't need a new media type. If it does, then you do. I hope it's clear that I'm not arguing for or against a media type any more. I'm just trying to tease out of the group the criteria that would permit a principled decision to be made. > It *might*, however, make sense to mint a profile URI as defined by RFC6906 [1] for i-json and register it according RFC7284 [2]. Don't go there. Those kinds of profiles have never worked in their many, many guises. Mark.
- [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ietf-j… Mark Baker
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Mark Baker
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Larry Masinter
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Mark Baker
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Markus Lanthaler
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Erik Wilde
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Mark Baker
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Markus Lanthaler
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… mike amundsen
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Erik Wilde
- Re: [Json] Media types, extensibility in draft-ie… Larry Masinter