Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-jsonbis-rfc7159bis-02
Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> Sun, 31 July 2016 06:40 UTC
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From: Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 23:40:00 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-jsonbis-rfc7159bis-02
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So, I guess the IETF & ECMA representatives will have to meet in the parking lot of a strip mall in Akron, Ohio, or maybe Lyon, France, and set up their laptops side by side on the back of a car, and count down: 3-2-1-COMMIT! Then they’ll shake hands and go their separate ways, while the gunmen on the nearby rooftops stand down. On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> wrote: > I think this is an issue of trust, from both sides. For those not in a > mood to trust ECMA, I suggest they trust our WG chairs and ADs. > > (If everything goes really wrong, we can always issue a revision with the > reference to the ECMA side removed.) > > Regards, Martin. > > On 2016/07/29 01:13, Julian Reschke wrote: > >> On 2016-07-28 18:05, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) wrote: >> >>> I agree that the document should not be published as an RFC until we >>> have the equivalent last-call doc from ECMA, and we do a coordinated >>> publish of the two documents. But having our side ready to go, >>> including finishing AUTH48, will allow us to not be the bottleneck in >>> that process. >>> >> >> Not sure. "approved" means "approved". I believe we need a mechanism >> that makes sure that the update of 404 not only happens, but that it >> also contains the change we expect. >> >> I believe we have adequate protections in place with Alexey not >>> pushing the button until the right time, and making sure that the RFC >>> Production Center is aware of the dependency to what amounts to a >>> downref. >>> >>> Would it help if we replaced the ECMA-404 reference with a a ref to >>> ECMA-404bis (with details left out)? That would make it *very* clear >>> to the RPC what we intend, and would trigger processes they have in >>> place to ensure the reference is resolved before publishing. >>> >> >> I think that helps, but it's not sufficient. >> >> Best regards, Julian >> >> PS: ...and we need a minor revision anyway; see prior feedback. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> json mailing list >> json@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/json >> . >> >> -- - Tim Bray (If you’d like to send me a private message, see https://keybase.io/timbray)
- [Json] Early AD review of draft-ietf-jsonbis-rfc7… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Peter F. Patel-Schneider
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Stefan Hagen
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Peter F. Patel-Schneider
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Peter F. Patel-Schneider
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Julian Reschke
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Peter F. Patel-Schneider
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Matt Miller (mamille2)
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Julian Reschke
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Anders Rundgren
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Julian Reschke
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Peter F. Patel-Schneider
- [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-json… Matt Miller (mamille2)
- Re: [Json] Early AD review of draft-ietf-jsonbis-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Julian Reschke
- Re: [Json] Early AD review of draft-ietf-jsonbis-… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Early AD review of draft-ietf-jsonbis-… Manger, James