Re: [Json] secdir review of draft-ietf-jsonbis-rfc7159bis-03 [rfc7159bis scope]

John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> Thu, 16 March 2017 17:33 UTC

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From: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:33:27 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Json] secdir review of draft-ietf-jsonbis-rfc7159bis-03 [rfc7159bis scope]
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On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Matthew A. Miller <
linuxwolf+ietf@outer-planes.net>; wrote:

While I am generally sympathetic to accommodation, I don't think there
> is support in the working group for expanding the allowed encodings
> beyond what RFC 7159 already stated.
>

Indeed, I will now go further.  I am now in favor of saying "JSON SHALL be
encoded in UTF-8", without further qualification.  This is what everybody
actually does, and why shouldn't we say so?

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