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Re: [Json] section 1 paragraph 2 on what JSON can represent

Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> Wed, 02 October 2013 21:35 UTC

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On Oct 2, 2013, at 1:49 PM, Tony Hansen <tony@att.com> wrote:

> On 10/2/2013 4:43 PM, John Cowan wrote:
>> Tim Bray scripsit:
>> 
>>> The “JSON can represent...” text is perfectly accurate.  It may not be able
>>> to represent them in a standalone top-level way, but the parts of a JSON
>>> text do in fact represent those things.
>> +1.  If it read "JSON texts can represent" it would indeed be inaccurate,
>> but it doesn't.
> 
> Am I the only one who read that statement to be referring to the
> top-level value and *not* specifically to internal values?

Maybe. When you hit the definition of JSON-text, it sounds like you said "these disagree" instead of "these are describing different things".

> At the least, I think the current statement is ambiguous. It *can* be
> read either way.

The question of what is a JSON-text seems important, but maybe should not be made to the detriment of the clarity of the first sentence.

--Paul Hoffman

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