Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the current ECMAScript specification
Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> Thu, 26 September 2013 18:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the current ECMAScript specification
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I’m with Rob on this one. There is de facto a stable ECMA spec that has language defining JSON, the definition is different, and people who go and try to do some of the things it allows will likely have interoperability issues, so I’d put this in. Yeah, they might do another spec or specs but that wouldn't invalidate our reference to the existing one. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>wrote: > On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:31 AM, R S <sayrer@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Charter: > > > > > > All differences between RFC 4627 or the current ECMAScript > specification > will be documented in the new RFC. > > > > The ECMAScript specification allows primitives at the root level, > specifies exactly how to interpret numbers, and can handle " bit sequences > which cannot encode Unicode characters" just fine. > > <no hat> > > Based on what we have learned in the last six months, it might be better > for this RFC *not* to do what the charter says. > > - TC39 is actively revising ECMAScript and it is not clear whether the > -bis draft of their version will be out first. > > - Some of what ECMAscript says about JSON is intertwingled with the > definition of ECMAscript, such as "exactly how to interpret numbers" > > I'm no longer sure that a long-lasting RFC interpreting parts of another > SDO's spec is a good idea. > > --Paul Hoffman > _______________________________________________ > json mailing list > json@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/json >
- [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-json… Matt Miller (mamille2)
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… R S
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Tim Bray
- [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the curren… Paul Hoffman
- [Json] "suffer fatal runtime exceptions" Paul Hoffman
- [Json] -0.0 Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] -0.0 R S
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] -0.0 Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] "suffer fatal runtime exceptions" R S
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Json] "suffer fatal runtime exceptions" Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] -0.0 R S
- Re: [Json] -0.0 Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] -0.0 John Cowan
- Re: [Json] -0.0 John Cowan
- Re: [Json] -0.0 R S
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… R S
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Json] Working Group Last Call of draft-ietf-… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Paul Hoffman
- [Json] Authorship Paul Hoffman
- [Json] Obsoletes RFC 4627 Paul Hoffman
- [Json] Section 1.3, "Changes from RFC 4627" Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… R S
- Re: [Json] Authorship R S
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… R S
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Authorship Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Json] Authorship John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Obsoletes RFC 4627 Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] Obsoletes RFC 4627 Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Obsoletes RFC 4627 Eliot Lear
- Re: [Json] Authorship Eliot Lear
- Re: [Json] [authorship] (was: Working Group Last … Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] -0.0 Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] Section 1.3, "Changes from RFC 4627" Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] Obsoletes RFC 4627 Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] -0.0 Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] -0.0 Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] -0.0 Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] Authorship Pete Resnick
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Tony Hansen
- Re: [Json] ECMA-262 normative? Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… R S
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Authorship Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] -0.0 John Cowan
- Re: [Json] -0.0 Matt Miller (mamille2)
- Re: [Json] -0.0 R S
- Re: [Json] -0.0 R S
- Re: [Json] -0.0 R S
- Re: [Json] -0.0 John Cowan
- Re: [Json] -0.0 R S
- Re: [Json] -0.0 R S
- Re: [Json] -0.0 Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] -0.0 R S
- Re: [Json] -0.0 Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] -0.0 Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] -0.0 Peter Patel-Schneider
- Re: [Json] -0.0 John Cowan
- Re: [Json] -0.0 Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] -0.0 R S
- Re: [Json] -0.0 John Cowan
- Re: [Json] -0.0 Carsten Bormann
- [Json] Change Control (was: Re: Authorship) Martin J. Dürst
- [Json] Indentation (was: Re: Change Control) Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] Indentation (was: Re: Change Control) Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Indentation (was: Re: Change Control) Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Change Control (was: Re: Authorship) Jorge Chamorro
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Tony Hansen
- [Json] ECMA-262 normative? Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] ECMA-262 normative? John Cowan
- Re: [Json] ECMA-262 normative? Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] ECMA-262 normative? Eliot Lear
- [Json] Change control for the MIME media type Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] ECMA-262 normative? R S
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… R S
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Tony Hansen
- Re: [Json] ECMA-262 normative? Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] ECMA-262 normative? Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… R S
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Tony Hansen
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… R S
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… R S
- Re: [Json] section 1 paragraph 2 on what JSON can… Tony Hansen
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] section 1 paragraph 2 on what JSON can… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Jorge Chamorro
- Re: [Json] section 1 paragraph 2 on what JSON can… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Tony Hansen
- Re: [Json] section 1 paragraph 2 on what JSON can… John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] section 1 paragraph 2 on what JSON can… Tony Hansen
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Jorge Chamorro
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Jorge Chamorro
- Re: [Json] section 1 paragraph 2 on what JSON can… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] section 1 paragraph 2 on what JSON can… Manger, James H
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… R S
- Re: [Json] Differences between RFC 4627 or the cu… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] section 1 paragraph 2 on what JSON can… John Cowan
- Re: [Json] section 1 paragraph 2 on what JSON can… Manger, James H