Re: [Json] Call for Consensus: Proposed Text for "8.1 Character Encoding"
Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Thu, 16 March 2017 20:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Json] Call for Consensus: Proposed Text for "8.1 Character Encoding"
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On 2017-03-16 21:33, Paul Hoffman wrote: > This whole thread feels like a regression from RFC 7159. The abstract of > this document says: > > This document removes inconsistencies with other specifications of > JSON, repairs specification errors, and offers experience-based > interoperability guidance. > > Opening up to new encodings reduces interoperability. +1 > In addition: > >> 1) Does the working group think adding any text on how to detect the >> encoding worthwhile? > > No. Adding a multi-step test that is easy to get wrong reduces > interoperability. -1 - this came up as unclear during IESG review, and it *is* unclear. If the media type doesn't have a charset parameter, the spec actually should state how detect the encoding. Best regards, Julian
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