Re: [Json] Call for Consensus: Proposed Text for "8.1 Character Encoding"
Pete Cordell <petejson@codalogic.com> Fri, 28 April 2017 14:28 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Json] Call for Consensus: Proposed Text for "8.1 Character Encoding"
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Thanks. I agree with your summary. If you removed the sentence which mentions "UTF-16, or UTF-32" from the text that you proposed on 17 April, I'd be happy with that text. Thanks again, Pete. On 27/04/2017 17:21, Matthew A. Miller wrote: > I see consensus for text in Section 8.1 pending an Appendix on encoding > detection, but nothing for the Appendix itself. > > Looking deeper in the threads again, it appears to me that: > > * There is consensus to say "just use UTF8" in many (most) scenarios > * There is rough consensus to say "always use UTF8", but concern this > change goes beyond the charter > * There is no consensus on a detection algorithm > > While the charter calls for "absolute minimal changes", it calls out RFC > 7159 (and its -bis) as documenting "interoperability concerns when > exchanging JSON over a network". Documenting this interoperability is > one of its primary goals. > > Therefore, the argument is made that a change to the effect of "JSON > text MUST be encoded as UTF-8" is considered an "absolute minimum > change" in order to achieve the goal of network interoperability. > > To the working group: > > * Is there strong objection to mandating only UTF-8? > * Does anyone have suggested text to that effect? > > > - m&m > > Matthew A. Miller > JSONbis Chair
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