Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson)
Christian Zangl <coralllama@gmail.com> Thu, 26 May 2016 21:52 UTC
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From: Christian Zangl <coralllama@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson)
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You are quite right that there are a lot of solutions to this problem. The most known ones are JSON5 and maybe CSON. Others are not that easy to find though I remember at least three variants that shared some syntax with Hjson. Most of them, including Hjson, were started because there was no recommended format to be found. On 2016-05-26 13:03, Peter Cordell wrote: > For me JSON is too simple, and YAML is too complex. I've tried to get > into YAML a couple of times, but it seems to have multiple ways to do > the same things, so I end up getting confused. It clearly fails at at > least one level to be human friendly. Why JSON doesn't have comments > eludes me. JavaScript does, so missing that bit in the subsetting was a > big drop off IMO. > > I'd love something that is more flexible than JSON, but less complicated > than YAML. While I might quibble about some of the choices in this > proposal, the fact that it can be described as JSON with 7 lines of > variations is a big win. > > What I find frustrating in this space is that protocols and > specifications are the bread and butter of IETF. And yet the IETF has > put very little effort into developing 'tools' for this area (*). And > the really sad thing is that the reason is not because this is a > difficult problem, but more that it is such a simple problem that > everyone comes up with their own pet solution and they'd rather have no > solution instead of someone else's solution. As a result we end up with > other groups second hand goods like XML and JSON. > > So I'd welcome it going forward in a form that would allow experience > with working with the format and would be simple for a working group to > adopt and put on standards track if they felt it was useful. Perhaps as > an AD shepherded individual RFC that can just be 're-badged' to put it > on standards track if the desire arose. > > (* OK, we have ABNF, but that's the assembly language of protocol design > and we should really be aspiring to higher levels of abstraction in this > day and age.) > > Pete Cordell > Read & write XML in C++, http://www.xml2cpp.com > > On 24/05/2016 22:36, Christian Zangl wrote: >> JSON is used in a lot of places and has helped improve things like data >> exchange and data storage. It is also used in areas it's less suited >> for, like configuration files. People seem to prefer JSON for >> configuration over YAML and other config formats. >> >> I started Human JSON (Hjson) because I found the experience frustrating >> (for example missing/trailing comma problems, no comments). With Hjson >> you get a superset of JSON that allows you to >> >> - add #, // or /**/ comments, >> - omit quotes for keys, >> - omit quotes for strings (terminated by LF, no escapes), >> - omit braces for the root object, >> - omit the comma at the end of a line >> - add trailing commas and >> - use multiline strings with proper whitespace handling. >> >> These changes should make it easer to read and write configs while still >> preserving the power of JSON. >> >> Joe Hildebrand approached me with an idea to publish Hjson as a RFC. You >> can find the draft here: http://hjson.org/rfc.html There are also syntax >> diagrams and more at http://hjson.org/syntax.html >> >> Thoughts? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> json mailing list >> json@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/json >> . >> >
- [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Christian Zangl
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Sean Leonard
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Sean Leonard
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Christian Zangl
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Christian Zangl
- [Json] Fwd: Re: Human JSON (Hjson) Stefan Reich
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Christian Zangl
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Carsten Bormann
- [Json] Comments in JSON = De facto standard. Re: … Anders Rundgren
- Re: [Json] Comments in JSON = De facto standard. … Stefan Hagen
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Peter Cordell
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Stefan Hagen
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Peter Cordell
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Christian Zangl
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Christian Zangl
- Re: [Json] Comments in JSON = De facto standard. … Christian Zangl
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Christian Zangl
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Christian Zangl
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Christian Zangl
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Peter Cordell
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Peter Cordell
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Christian Zangl
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Christian Zangl
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Christian Zangl
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Christian Zangl
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] Human JSON (Hjson) Phillip Hallam-Baker