Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers
Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Sat, 31 May 2014 05:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Json] I-JSON Topic #5: Numbers
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On 30 May 2014, at 23:38, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote: > On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote: > ➧ In particular, an I-JSON sender MUST NOT expect a receiver to treat > an integer whose absolute value is greater than 9007199254740992 (i.e., > that is outside the range [-2**53, 2**53], where ** stands for exponentiation) > as an exact value. > > BTW, RFC7159 says: Note that when such software is used, numbers which are integers and are in the range [-(2**53)+1, (2**53)-1] are interoperable in the sense that implementations will agree exactly on their numeric values. So for consistency we should adjust this language to use this range and the absolute value of 9007199254740991 - right? Consistency is good. The new text makes use of the fact that 2**53+1 is the first integer that cannot be represented in binary64. 2**53 itself is a bit of an edge case because it can be represented exactly, but carries the uncertainty whether 2*53+1 was meant instead. So if an implementation checks exactness only after conversion, it can only accept [-(2**53)+1, (2**53)-1]. Indeed, let’s stick with the narrower range [-(2**53)+1, (2**53)-1]. Grüße, Carsten
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