Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis

Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com> Mon, 09 January 2017 10:06 UTC

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From: Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Json] Status of 7159bis
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On 2017-01-09 10:59, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
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>> On 8 Jan 2017, at 19:48, Peter F. Patel-Schneider <pfpschneider@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On 01/08/2017 12:44 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
>>> Hi Julian,
>>>
>>>> On 7 Jan 2017, at 15:35, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> I just noticed that the document went to state "Publication Requested" early December, with no notification of the working group, and (IMHO) some of the few feedback that the document received during WG LC being ignored (such as <https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/json/current/msg03945.html> and <https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/json/current/msg03978.html>).
>>>>
>>>> What's going on here?
>>>
>>> I moved it to the Publication Requested state in datatracker in order to get the document done and get the WG closed. Negotiations with the WG chair and document editor are ongoing. WGLC comments will be handled (or at least replied to).
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Alexey
>>
>> Progress on this document was waiting for progress on ECMA 404.  I don't see
>> that anything has happened with ECMA 404, so this document can't progress.
>
> It is quite the opposite: If the document doesn't progress, ECMA is not going to do anything.

Which highlights the impossibility having two normative standards for the same thing.
Dropping the references to ECMA is the only sensible way forward.

Anders

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