Re: [Json] I-D Action: draft-ietf-jsonbis-rfc7159bis-01.txt

Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Sun, 12 June 2016 19:12 UTC

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Tim Bray wrote:
> ECMA 262

I think that's a regression.

ECMA 262 is *not* defining JSON.

(If you are looking for more sources of definitions, can I offer the
documentation of, say, NSJSONSerialization?)

Of course we'd like JSON implementations to implement JSON, but the
direction of the arrow of normative referencing is very clear here.

Grüße, Carsten