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Re: [Jsonpath] May interim meeting minutes

Greg Dennis <gregsdennis@yahoo.com> Sun, 13 June 2021 04:20 UTC

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From: Greg Dennis <gregsdennis@yahoo.com>
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Regarding #94, who has merging responsibility? It was my understanding that it was the chairs.  I've asked this question before, and the result was for me to leave it for someone else.
Greg
 
 
  On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 at 3:10 am, Carsten Bormann<cabo@tzi.org> wrote:   On 2021-06-11, at 22:49, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> 
>> Since that PR has a bunch of changes, it may be helpful to pull out a few for independent discussion/decision?
> 
> Yes, please.
> There is lots of good stuff in there, but as a package it is inedible.

Well, I ate that sandwich now.

Given that some of us seem to like #97, I have picked (and slightly fixed up) most of #97 into #101.

I would propose that we merge that quickly and get on to the problematic aspect of #97:
While the terms "object", "array", "number" are used in RFC 8259, it is never clear whether they refer to the concept or its representation in a JSON text.  That problem is irrelevant in RFC 8259 (which, after all, only defines the JSON text), but not here.
The specimen showing this best is a new definition of "String" in #97, which is neither defining the JSON strings JSONPath operates on nor does it make clear that JSONPath has redefined string literals with respect to RFC 8259.
➔ We’ll need to decide whether there also is a different data model for strings in JSONPath or JSONPath just has a different notation.

I would expect that we'll go in and fix the other gaps opened by this PR later; right now I'd rather focus on technical work.

(Oh, and why are we stuck with #94?
Three approvals.)

Grüße, Carsten

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