Re: [kitten] Any Interest in a Key Delivery Service?

Ken Hornstein <kenh@pobox.com> Wed, 13 September 2017 13:31 UTC

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>OK, so should we produce a spec that tells them how to do it, or would
>that just trigger NIH (not invented here)?

Good question!  In my experience the issues are a) lack of specification,
and b) getting people to implement the specification.

I do think it would be .... not worth the effort to go through the IETF
process to produce something for KMIP.  You need to work in their space
(OASIS).

--Ken