Re: [kitten] I-D Action: draft-ietf-kitten-tls-channel-bindings-for-tls13-07.txt

"HANSEN, TONY L" <tony@att.com> Wed, 26 May 2021 21:20 UTC

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To: Robbie Harwood <rharwood@redhat.com>, Ludovic BOCQUET <lbxmpp@live.com>, Sam Whited <sam@samwhited.com>, KITTEN Working Group <kitten@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [kitten] I-D Action: draft-ietf-kitten-tls-channel-bindings-for-tls13-07.txt
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Hmmm, draft-hansen-scram-sha256 wasn't officially a Kitten document before it became RFC 7677, but it most definitely was discussed on the Kitten WG's mailing list. (It never did become an official Kitten doc before being published, mostly [if I remember correctly] because of timing of a ton of other Kitten docs.)

I agree that Alexey's docs not being official docs removes being able to place constraints on them, but hopefully Alexey's docs ARE being openly discussed in Kitten.

	Tony

On 5/26/2021, 2:11 PM, "Kitten on behalf of Robbie Harwood" <kitten-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rharwood@redhat.com> wrote:

    Ludovic BOCQUET <lbxmpp@live.com> writes:

    > Do not forget, to be synchronized with:
    >
    >   *   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-melnikov-scram-sha-512
    >   *   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-melnikov-scram-sha3-512
    >
    > Normally Alexey will update soon.

    Hi Ludovic,

    (co-chair hat on) These are not kitten documents.  While they could
    potentially become such, right now what happens to them isn't really in
    scope - and certainly ensuring they get updated isn't Sam's
    responsibility.[1]

    More generally, I would ask that you work to fit your comments into a
    single (presumably longer) review whenever possible, and understand that
    sometimes issues won't be fixed immediately.  I know this can't always
    be done (sometimes changes aren't quite right etc.), but unnecessary
    back-and-forth is tiring and time-consuming for authors.  We're all
    human and have too many demands on our time - let's try to be patient
    with each other :)

    Thanks,
    --Robbie

    1: Formally, tls-channel-bindings-for-tls13 is being considered for
       advancement to AD.  There is no dependency from this document on the
       drafts you mention, so it is not blocking for purposes of current
       discussion.