Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal authentication
Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Wed, 03 September 2014 04:12 UTC
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From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@MIT.EDU>
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Subject: Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal authentication
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On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 01:13:06PM -0400, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > It would be nice if someone could confirm or contradict my conclusion that > the triple of (opaque inner handle, nonce, mic) is a bearer token for > performing multi-principal authentication. Sorry, let's look at this: - As I had it the client sends an integrity-protected message that contains a MIC of a nonce. The outer message is protected by a GSS security context authenticating the client host. The inner MIC is made with the user's context. Both contexts having the same acceptor. - The *new* RPCSEC_GSS security context uses the same GSS security context as the outer message in the establishment (see above) of this new context. - When the client sends an RPC on behalf of a user, then, it sends something like (simplifying): - RPC header: - program, procedure, XID - credential - *new* context ID - verifier - MIC taken over the header (minus verifier) with the old outer context - payload (possibly wrapped) There's no bearer token here. There's nothing in the credential or verifier that a man in the wire can use to replay against the server and get the same rights with a different payload (well, assuming we're providing at least integrity protection to the payload). The man in the wire would have to be able to manufacture a MIC and Wrap tokens without having the related security context's session keys. Could an attacker find a MIC made with a context authenticating the user (to the same acceptor) of a payload that looks like a nonce? Yes, perhaps, but the client would have to pick that same nonce, so, not really. OK, now let's see if the same is true for the current draft. [reads] This section of the draft got rewritten, but my reading is that the gist is the same. Nico --
- [kitten] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv3: request f… Adamson, Andy
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… J. Bruce Fields
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… J. Bruce Fields
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Adamson, Andy
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Adamson, Andy
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Adamson, Andy
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… J. Bruce Fields
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Adamson, Andy
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Adamson, Andy
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Adamson, Andy
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Adamson, Andy
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Adamson, Andy
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Adamson, Andy
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Nico Williams
- [kitten] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal authenticat… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal authent… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal authent… Adamson, Andy
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal… J. Bruce Fields
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal… J. Bruce Fields
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal… J. Bruce Fields
- Re: [kitten] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal authent… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal… Adamson, Andy
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] rpcsec-gssv3 multi-principal… Adamson, Andy
- Re: [kitten] [nfsv4] draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gssv… Benjamin Kaduk