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Re: [kitten] Requesting WG adoption of several SCRAM related documents

Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> Wed, 03 November 2021 20:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [kitten] Requesting WG adoption of several SCRAM related documents
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3 nov. 2021 kl. 17:43 skrev Robbie Harwood <rharwood@redhat.com>:
> 
> Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> writes:
> 
>> Hi.  I'm not strongly opposed to these work items, but I do feel
>> publishing these documents without adressing high-level concerns have
>> a risk of causing problems during deployment.  I think the WG should
>> understand and consider the implication before adopting the documents
>> - maybe there is alternative work that needs to happen before/instead.
> 
> Hi Simon, do you have any further thoughts on this in light of Ruslan's
> and Alexey's comments in reply?

No.  I agree with what the replies, and haven’t changed my opinion.  I’d rather see work on addressing the problems that were brought up, or stronger mechanisms, instead. But things aren’t a zero-sum game, so if enough people wants these drafts published, that’s what will happen.

/Simon

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