Re: [kitten] I-D Action: draft-ietf-kitten-pkinit-freshness-01.txt

Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@MIT.EDU> Wed, 11 March 2015 21:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [kitten] I-D Action: draft-ietf-kitten-pkinit-freshness-01.txt
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On Wed, 11 Mar 2015, Greg Hudson wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Mar 2015, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> > It looks like this addresses all of Greg's questions, so I expect we will
> > put this in the queue for WGLC.
>
> I still believe that section 2.1 is not necessary; clients should not
> need to indicate support for PA_AS_FRESHNESS for a KDC to send it the
> method-data of a preauth-required error.
>
> My last statement on the topic is here:
>
>     http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/kitten/current/msg05326.html

Oops, sorry I missed that.
Yes, I believe you are correct.

-Ben