Re: [kitten] Status update on draft-ietf-kitten-tls-channel-bindings-for-tls13-15

Sam Whited <sam@samwhited.com> Tue, 26 April 2022 00:13 UTC

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Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:12:41 -0400
From: Sam Whited <sam@samwhited.com>
To: Paul Wouters <paul.wouters@aiven.io>, Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com>
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Subject: Re: [kitten] Status update on draft-ietf-kitten-tls-channel-bindings-for-tls13-15
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It does update something said in the document, and I don't believe
there was consensus that it *doesn't* update the document either, so I
will not be making the change. I'm sorry for the impasse, but I don't
believe just claiming that there was some sort of consensus is a good
way forward.

—Sam

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, at 11:34, Paul Wouters wrote:
> i am confused how an Updates: call is depending on consensus. either
> it updates something said in that document or it doesn't.
>
> in theory this cannot be a subjective call?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 25, 2022, at 16:11, Alexey Melnikov
>> <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> wrote:
>>
>> Quick status update on this.
>>
>> draft-ietf-kitten-tls-channel-bindings-for-tls13-15 includes
>> "Updates: RFC 8446".
>>
>> After reviewing various mailing list discussions, I confirm that
>> inclusion of this header in the draft doesn't represent IETF
>> consensus. So the header needs to be taken out. Sam, I know that this
>> is not what you personally prefer, but are you willing to make the
>> change?
>>
>> The document also needs to have a "Yes" ballot from one of current
>> IESG members. So I separately asked Paul Wouters (our new Sec AD) to
>> do the document review.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Alexey, as a KITTEN chair
>>
>>

-- 
Sam Whited