Re: [kitten] New Version Notification for draft-howard-gss-sanon-01.txt

Jeffrey E Altman <jaltman@auristor.com> Tue, 07 April 2020 01:52 UTC

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On 4/6/2020 6:59 PM, Luke Howard wrote:
> Jeff suggests informational track.

In my opinion getting something shipped quickly requires a private
organization oid and informational track.   We should publish NegoEx as
informational as well since we are going to depend on it.

I don't think there is any benefit to experimental since NegoEx is
unpublished.  I suspect that all of the original Microsoft editors have
moved on.
> I’ve fixed the NegoEx thing anyway in the most recent draft.
> 
> The NegoEx authors did not envisage a mechanism being negotiated under
> both SPNEGO and NegoEx, so it doesn’t say anything about the preference
> order of such a mechanism. (It was possible to build such a mechanism up
> to Windows 8, but this was an accident that was then corrected.)

I don't believe that SAnon is a good choice for SPNEGO.  One reason I
want to negotiate it under NegoEx is to prefer krb5-anon if its
configured and only use SAnon for the case where krb5-anon is unavailable.

Jeffrey Altman