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From: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@MIT.EDU>
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Subject: Re: [kitten] CAMMAC open issues
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On Thu, 7 Nov 2013, Tom Yu wrote:

> Here are what I think are the remaining open issues for CAMMAC.
>
> Wrapping of CAMMAC:
>
> Do we recommend enclosing a CAMMAC inside an AD-IF-RELEVANT?  RFC 4120
> says that authorization data are critical, i.e., an implementaiton
> must reject unrecognized authorization data.  Alternatively, we could
> require that CAMMAC be enclosed in an AD-KDCIssued, and drop the
> consequently redundant "svc-verifier" from CAMMAC.

It looks like this bit got all the follow-up and no one replied to the 
rest.

> Minor encoding change:
>
> Do we change "other-verifiers" from "[3] SEQUENCE OF Verifier" to
> "[3] SEQUENCE (SIZE (1..MAX)) OF Verifier OPTIONAL"?
>
> I think we should do this because it would reduce the encoding size in
> what I believe will be the common case of no additional verifiers.

That seems okay; we don't have any reason to expect an unbounded number of 
other verifiers.  I'll let you pick the MAX, though.

> Motivations text:
>
> I'm still looking over Ben's suggestions for the rewording of the
> "Motivations" section.
>
> CAMMAC-BINDING:
>
> I think I'll cover this in a separate message.

Okay.

-Ben
