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Re: [kitten] Status update on draft-ietf-kitten-tls-channel-bindings-for-tls13-15

Paul Wouters <paul.wouters@aiven.io> Mon, 25 April 2022 16:34 UTC

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Subject: Re: [kitten] Status update on draft-ietf-kitten-tls-channel-bindings-for-tls13-15
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i am confused how an Updates: call is depending on consensus. either it updates something said in that document or it doesn't. 

in theory this cannot be a subjective call?

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> On Apr 25, 2022, at 16:11, Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> wrote:
> 
> Quick status update on this.
> 
> draft-ietf-kitten-tls-channel-bindings-for-tls13-15 includes "Updates: RFC 8446".
> 
> After reviewing various mailing list discussions, I confirm that inclusion of this header in the draft doesn't represent IETF consensus. So the header needs to be taken out. Sam, I know that this is not what you personally prefer, but are you willing to make the change?
> 
> The document also needs to have a "Yes" ballot from one of current IESG members. So I separately asked Paul Wouters (our new Sec AD) to do the document review.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Alexey, as a KITTEN chair
> 
>

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