Re: [L2tpext] New Version: draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-01
Bob Briscoe <ietf@bobbriscoe.net> Tue, 30 May 2017 22:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: [L2tpext] New Version: draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-01
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Hi l2tpext list, This is a plea for help on a short subsection of a short draft that updates L2TP (amongst other tunnel protocols). In the Transport Area WG (tsvwg) we have been working on defining propagation of the ECN field between IP headers separated by shim header(s): draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim L2TP is one such protocol (when the payload of the L2 protocol is IP, and the outer PSN is IP). This is particularly relevant at the moment, because of the low latency (L4S) work based on ECN and because deployment of ECN has finally taken off {Note 1}. I presented this tunnelling work in intarea just under a year ago. Since then tsvwg has adopted the draft and asked that we include specific update text for each affected tunnel protocol. I just posted my first attempt at L2TP update text: draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-01 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-01> *Specific questions:** * Prize for the best answer to all 3 questions: you get to become a co-author (if you want :) *Q1.* L2TP is meant for all sorts of outers and inners, so it is not clear where to define behaviour for the special (but very common) case of IP as the L2 payload and IP and as the PSN. That is: IP : [UDP] : L2TP : L2-specific-sublayer : L2 : IP I decided on updating S.4.5 of RFC3931 <Specific%20questions:>, but suggestions for a better place are welcome. * **Q2**.* L2TP is usually extended not updated. However, in this case, compliance with RFC6040 is non-optional, so I think update rather than extension is appropriate. Reason: Although RFC6040 is non-optional it includes a compatibility mode that defines what has to happen when a tunnel endpoint doesn't support ECN propagation. Pls read the (short) draft and, if you disagree, suggest how an extension can be non-optional. * **Q3.* The tunnel initiator needs to check that the other end supports ECN propagation. I have proposed an Attribute Value Pair (AVP) for this that is effectively just a boolean choice from each end (Yes or silence). I expected to find an AVP with per-control-connection flags for tunnel endpoint capabilities that I could just extend with one more flag, but there doesn't seem to be such a thing already in L2TP. Did I miss it? Cheers Bob {Note 1}: ~70% of Web servers, ~50% of Apple client devices on fixed or WiFi access, and now increasing router deployment of ECN is appearing. On 30/05/17 22:49, Bob Briscoe wrote: > David (as doc shepherd) and the tsvwg list, > > As requested, I have added specific text that updates the other > relevant RFCs under IETF change control (GRE and L2TP). I have also > explained the position in each case for specs not under IETF change > control. > > I will now go to the relevant WGs (intarea and lt2pext) and ask them > to improve my first attempt. > > I'll cc you and this list as appropriate. > > Cheers > > > > Bob > > PS. I have also said > > the rules in [RFC6040] for > propagating the ECN field MUST be applied > > whereas before it said "SHOULD". And added an explanation for why > "MUST" is appropriate: > > The above is written as a 'MUST' because RFC 6040 allows > a compatibility mode for the encapsulator in cases where the > decapsulator does not (or cannot) support ECN propagation. > > > > > > > On 30/05/17 22:36, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-01.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Bob Briscoe and posted to the >> IETF repository. >> >> Name: draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim >> Revision: 01 >> Title: Propagating Explicit Congestion Notification Across IP >> Tunnel Headers Separated by a Shim >> Document date: 2017-05-30 >> Group: tsvwg >> Pages: 10 >> URL: >> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-01.txt >> Status: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim/ >> Htmlized: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-01 >> Htmlized: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-01 >> Diff: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-01 >> >> Abstract: >> RFC 6040 on "Tunnelling of Explicit Congestion Notification" made >> the >> rules for propagation of ECN consistent for all forms of IP in IP >> tunnel. This specification extends the scope of RFC 6040 to include >> tunnels where two IP headers are separated by at least one shim >> header that is not sufficient on its own for packet forwarding. >> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> The IETF Secretariat >> > -- ________________________________________________________________ Bob Briscoe http://bobbriscoe.net/