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Re: Advancing the Protocol and Morin Drafts

Dino Farinacci <dino@cisco.com> Sun, 12 October 2008 01:11 UTC

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From: Dino Farinacci <dino@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: Advancing the Protocol and Morin Drafts
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It should have been clear. And if it is was not, then you can't even  
come close to claiming success.

Dino

On Oct 11, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Drake, John E wrote:

> And your point is?
>
> John Drake
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dino Farinacci <dino@cisco.com>
> To: Yakov Rekhter <yakov@juniper.net>
> Cc: Ross Callon <rcallon@juniper.net>; l3vpn@ietf.org <l3vpn@ietf.org>
> Sent: Fri Oct 10 16:35:11 2008
> Subject: Re: Advancing the Protocol and Morin Drafts
>
> Define success Yakov?
>
> It is not at all clear, and has never been proved to me this service
> is *profitable*. It may be generating revenue but the cost of running
> the service must be considered as well.
>
> Dino
>
> On Oct 10, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Yakov Rekhter wrote:
>
>> Prasanna,
>>
>>> I vote NO.
>>>
>>> Being in AT&T Advanced Tier support group and having supported the
>>> MVPN
>>> core for the last 2 years, I can clearly say that we need a solution
>>> such as PIM-BiDir that can reduce the number of multicast states in
>>> the
>>> PEs to be able to scale the Groups X Sources x OILs explosion for  
>>> our
>>> very large Enterprise customers.   We definitely do not want to
>>> tweak a
>>> crucial protocol like BGP of which our scale is 2 Million VPNV4
>>> routes
>>> in the US alone.
>>
>> On the subject of "we definitely do not want to tweak", I'd like
>> to remind you that during the early days of 2547 VPNs some of its
>> opponents were saying that they are against 2547 VPNs because they
>> do not want to "tweak" such a crucial protocol as BGP to carry VPNv4
>> routes.
>>
>> Today AT&T has "2 million VPNv4 routes in the US alone" all carried
>> in BGP, and a successful 2547 VPN service. None of this would be
>> possible if we would not tweak BGP.
>>
>> Yakov.
>

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