RE: Advancing the Protocol and Morin Drafts
Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com> Mon, 13 October 2008 08:15 UTC
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Subject: RE: Advancing the Protocol and Morin Drafts
From: Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com>
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Hi Luyuan, Luyuan Fang : > > When there is substantial deployment in the field with the existing > approach, making a newer proposal a must and the exiting one an optional > is business/operation/customer impacting. The statement above doesn't match the reality of the documents being discussed: draft-ietf-l3vpn-2547bis-mcast does *NOT* include the existing draft-rosen deployments ; *whatever* option is chosen inside draft-ietf-l3vpn-2547bis-mcast -- including the one closest to draft-rosen -- any draft-rosen deployment will have to go through a migration phase to become in line with the current IET specs. > Many folks spoke out here are running live networks, this is not a > theoretical debate. Believe me, the many operators co-authoring draft-morin-l3vpn-mvpn-considerations are not taking this issue by the theoretical side... -Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > > From: l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:l3vpn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > > > Of Marshall Eubanks > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:04 AM > > To: l3vpn@ietf.org > > Cc: Ross Callon > > Subject: Advancing the Protocol and Morin Drafts > > > > This email starts a 3 week call for input, to expire October 23, 2008, > > > for the following steps: > > > > 1.) To accept draft-morin-l3vpn-mvpn-considerations-03 as a working > > group document; and > > > > 2.) To turn this document into a requirements draft, with mandatory to > > > implement features for an interoperable implementation. The authors > > have indicated that they are willing to do this. > > > > Our intention is, if this approach is accepted, to then begin WG last > > call to submit to the IESG for publication: > > > > draft-ietf-l3vpn-2547bis-mcast > > draft-ietf-l3vpn-2547bis-mcast-bgp > > > > We expect that these two documents will be submitted more or less as > > is (i.e., certainly with any new bug fixes or other necessary > > corrections and improvements, but without specific mandatory to > > implement feature description in those drafts). > > > > Please respond to the list with your recommendations for these two > > courses of action. > > > > Regards > > Marshall & Danny > >
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