Re: Advancing the Protocol and Morin Drafts

["Drake, John E" <[e-mail]>]

And your point is?

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----- Original Message -----
From: Dino Farinacci <[e-mail]>
To: Yakov Rekhter <[e-mail]>
Cc: Ross Callon <[e-mail]>; [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Sent: Fri Oct 10 16:35:11 2008
Subject: Re: Advancing the Protocol and Morin Drafts 

Define success Yakov?

It is not at all clear, and has never been proved to me this service  
is *profitable*. It may be generating revenue but the cost of running  
the service must be considered as well.

Dino

On Oct 10, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Yakov Rekhter wrote:

> Prasanna,
>
>> I vote NO.
>>
>> Being in AT&T Advanced Tier support group and having supported the  
>> MVPN
>> core for the last 2 years, I can clearly say that we need a solution
>> such as PIM-BiDir that can reduce the number of multicast states in  
>> the
>> PEs to be able to scale the Groups X Sources x OILs explosion for our
>> very large Enterprise customers.   We definitely do not want to  
>> tweak a
>> crucial protocol like BGP of which our scale is 2 Million VPNV4  
>> routes
>> in the US alone.
>
> On the subject of "we definitely do not want to tweak", I'd like
> to remind you that during the early days of 2547 VPNs some of its
> opponents were saying that they are against 2547 VPNs because they
> do not want to "tweak" such a crucial protocol as BGP to carry VPNv4
> routes.
>
> Today AT&T has "2 million VPNv4 routes in the US alone" all carried
> in BGP, and a successful 2547 VPN service. None of this would be
> possible if we would not tweak BGP.
>
> Yakov.