RE: Advancing the Protocol and Morin Drafts
"BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A, ATTLABS" <dbrungard@att.com> Fri, 24 October 2008 15:15 UTC
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Subject: RE: Advancing the Protocol and Morin Drafts
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To: "NAPIERALA, MARIA H, ATTLABS" <mnapierala@att.com>, IJsbrand Wijnands <ice@cisco.com>, Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange-ftgroup.com>
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> create 2 drafts, one documenting a PIM based solutions set, and an > other based on BGP. Both moving forward on standards track. These Agree - if the documents are not clear as is, should clean up the documents vs. needing to refer to a 3rd document. > documents don't need to make comparisons between BGP and PIM (as is > done in the Morin draft), because this creates endless discussions > and don't get us anywhere. It just needs to document how the > different modules work together so that vendors can be interoperable. > Each customer can choose the preferred approach and talk to the > vendor for an implementation. The Morin draft has been very helpful but it is still very confusing on it's intention/impact - is it a requirements (non-solution favoring) document or a comparison document which will impact the two other drafts? It states in the abstract "mechanisms standardization should favor". Does the sentence mean that non-favored mechanisms (e.g. PIM-based) will be non-standards track? I'd favor as Nabil suggested, a requirements document (with updates). Either it should have a re-write before wg document status or else a clearly defined scope if it's a wg document. Deborah
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