Re: [Lake] [Secdispatch] LAKE next steps
Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Mon, 26 August 2019 20:58 UTC
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 21:57:41 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Lake] [Secdispatch] LAKE next steps
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On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 9:47 PM Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> wrote: > [Note: secdispatch@ to bcc] > > Hi Göran, > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 01:27:49PM +0000, Göran Selander wrote: > > Hi Ben and Roman, > > > > If I understand right, the proposal is - in one sentence - to work both > on a lightweight authenticated key exchange for OSCORE in the LAKE WG, and > on a compact variant of TLS in the TLS WG. This sounds like a good way > forward, since an optimal solution to one of the problems is most likely > not optimal (or even suitable) for the other, and optimization is one of > the reasons for doing this work in the first place. > > > > The proposed charter looks fine, I only have one comment on the text, > see below. In particular I don't think there is any need to further detail > requirements in the charter since those can be agreed with the listed > stakeholders as part of the work. > > > > Excerpt from proposed charter: > > > > 'The working group will collaborate and coordinate with other IETF WGs > > such as ACE, CORE, 6TISCH, and LPWAN to understand and validate the > > requirements and solution. The WG will also evaluate work from > > the TLS WG and derivatives thereof, and draft-selander-ace-cose-ecdhe.' > > > > My comment is on the last sentence above. I already commented on this > sentence in a previous draft of the charter: > > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/secdispatch/xJTkOA6zfU0TcQPMYevg8IBUSVk > > Oops, I'm sorry I didn't notice the comment from the previous round, when > preparing this draft text. Are you proposing to just drop the "and > derivatives thereof"? I believe that the intent last time around was to > include what became cTLS, though at that time it was unclear what home > could be found for it. At this point it looks more likely like the TLS WG > could do it, though it's not decided for sure, so the cross-WG dependencies > remain a little annoying. That said, I think that the proposed LAKE > charter should only consider output from the TLS WG, not > work-still-in-progress at the point when a decision is to be made. > Ben, If I understand what you are saying here, I don't think that this is the right approach. Imagine that cTLS were a totally new proposal, with no relationship to TLS. Then it would be reasonable for the WG to consider it based solely on being an individual draft. I don't understand why the bar should be *higher* if there is already WG work on it. -Ekr
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- Re: [Lake] LAKE next steps Benjamin Kaduk
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