Re: [Lake] LoRaWAN use case; Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-lake-reqs-01

Jesus Sanchez Gomez <jesus.sanchez4@um.es> Mon, 06 April 2020 11:52 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Lake] LoRaWAN use case; Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-lake-reqs-01
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Hello Dominique, all,

El 2020-04-01 a las 10:47, dominique.barthel@orange.com escribió:
> Can you make some useful/secure key exchange happen within 36 seconds 
> of air-time at LoRaWAN SF12 data rate, taking into account 2 
> repetitions per packet (I.e. 3 transmissions)?
> Or better yet, in only half or a third of that, because you want to 
> give some air-time to the lower layer MAC frames and to the 
> application itself.

I'm trying to model your use case, and I came up with the following 
diagram, in which each message will require up to three transmissions:




Would this make sense in the context of your original message?

If I got this right, then yes --- the whole exchange can be made using a 
duty-cycle less than half 36 seconds, and leave some room for user 
payload besides AKE.

ToA of a 51 payload LoRaWAN at SF12  = 2793 ms.

ToA times 6 (duty-cycle of End-device) = 2793*6 = 16758 ms.   // which 
is less than half 36 seconds.

Could you please comment on this?

Thank you,

Best Regards,


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