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Re: [Lake] Ways forward on MTI cipher suite text

Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> Tue, 25 January 2022 00:55 UTC

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From: Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2022 19:53:36 -0500
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To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
Cc: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, "lake@ietf.org" <lake@ietf.org>, "Apple Inc." <goran.selander@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [Lake] Ways forward on MTI cipher suite text
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Hi,

+1 to Carsten's response.

Cheers,
- Ira


On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 7:34 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

> On 25. Jan 2022, at 01:16, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
> wrote:
> >
> > you can't *live with*
>
> I should probably say that I can’t live with an RFC 6919 “MUST (BUT WE
> KNOW YOU WON'T)”.
>
> We need to be realistic in our mandates.
>
> "At least one out of 0..3" would be realistic.
>
> (The value of an MTI for a component that goes into other standards before
> becoming a product is also limited — The MTIs in this case should be in the
> system standards, not in the component.)
>
> Grüße, Carsten
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