Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-lake-edhoc - respond by June 22
Martin Disch <martindisch@gmail.com> Sat, 13 June 2020 20:28 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-lake-edhoc - respond by June 22
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On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 3:54 PM Mališa Vučinić <malisa.vucinic@inria.fr> wrote: > Please reply to this thread whether you support the adoption, and indicate if you are ready to review if this draft becomes a working group document. As part of a thesis I built a proof-of-concept implementation of EDHOC in the Rust programming language available at https://github.com/martindisch/oscore. The naming of the repository is due to the subject being both EDHOC and OSCORE on embedded devices, but the following refers only to the EDHOC implementation. It's based on draft-selander-ace-cose-ecdhe-14 and as such, sadly, outdated. Since it was just one part of the overall work, I only managed to implement the subset I needed, which is RPK and the signature-signature based scheme (corresponding to what draft-selander-lake-edhoc calls method 0). I also took some other shortcuts, such as not supporting auxiliary data. Fortunately, test vectors were about to be introduced just around the time I was working on it, so I've been able to successfully verify my implementation against them when John shared them with me for some preliminary testing. Since I didn't have any prior experience implementing this kind of software, I would definitely consider it more of an experiment, but it's out there and it works, in case it can be useful to anybody. I'm convinced that EDHOC will be valuable particularly in the context of OSCORE, possibly even beyond that. As for the draft itself, I would like to mention one aspect that I think could be improved from the perspective of an implementer. Part of the promise of EDHOC is that it's simple and lightweight due to reusing COSE. That is certainly the case, but breaks down somewhat when working on a system where no fully featured library for it is available. This was the case for me and I personally found it difficult to quickly figure out which aspects of COSE I needed to implement. The draft does a good job of pointing to the right places in RFC 8152, but I still ended up trying to understand another ~100 page document just to implement the few constructs I actually needed. I know the authors are aware of this and there has been some effort to inline more information directly in the specification, which I greatly appreciate. It would be very nice to have an entirely self-contained document to work with. But I have to again point out my lack of experience in that area, it's entirely possible that this draft is in fact much better than others in this regard and I just don't know it yet. With that I would like to support the adoption and am looking forward to seeing how it develops. Kind regards, Martin
- [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-lake-… Mališa Vučinić
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Christian Amsüss
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Dan Garcia
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Eduardo Ingles (UM)
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Martin Disch
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Laurent Toutain
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Timothy Claeys
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Karl Norrman
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Rikard Höglund
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Marco Tiloca
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… sandoche Balakrichenan
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Blomqvist, Peter
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Jesus Sanchez-Gomez
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Brendan Moran
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Robert Cragie
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Shahid Raza
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Sean Turner
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Göran Selander
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Robert Cragie
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Karthik Bhargavan
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Rene Struik
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Karthik Bhargavan
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Blomqvist, Peter
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Blomqvist, Peter
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Blomqvist, Peter
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Blomqvist, Peter
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Robert Cragie
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Blomqvist, Peter
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Göran Selander
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Martin Disch