Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-lake-edhoc - respond by June 22
Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com> Fri, 26 June 2020 08:57 UTC
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From: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-lake-edhoc - respond by June 22
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Hi Peter, * We can provide some input on use-cases and current issues we face with (D)TLS:. This would be highly appreciated and timely given that there is this TLS / DTLS profile work ongoing in the UTA working group. * Also please clarify “cTLS” – is that for key export or full replacement of OSCORE? cTLS refers to the approach of compressing TLS. Here is the draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tls-ctls-00 It has applicability beyond IoT, which is why the TLS working group adopted it. OSCORE is conceptually similar to the TLS/DTLS record layer. The most natural way of using DTLS/TLS or cTLS would be to use it with its native record layer. Then, you obviously don’t need OSCORE. For example, in this email thread Hari from u-blox referenced the work he did at u-blox as part of a government funded research project to protect CoAP from an IoT device over BLE to a gateway and then to the cloud. He is using OSCORE in his setup. We are using DTLS 1.2 over BLE (and then over WebSocket) in a commercial deployment where we protect CoAP entirely (end-to-end*) without using OSCORE. We call this ATLS (application layer TLS) because TLS (or DTLS) is carried (at least in some segments of the communication path at the application layer). The ATLS spec (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-friel-tls-atls-04) also adds a description on how to derive keying material for OSCORE. Ciao Hannes (*): The term “end-to-end” is often over-sold because in most cases CoAP communication isn’t truly end-to-end. So, in practice one has to be careful to figure out what the “end points” in the communication are. IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Christian Amsüss
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Dan Garcia
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Eduardo Ingles (UM)
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Martin Disch
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Laurent Toutain
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Timothy Claeys
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Karl Norrman
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Rikard Höglund
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Marco Tiloca
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… sandoche Balakrichenan
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Blomqvist, Peter
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Jesus Sanchez-Gomez
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Christopher Wood
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Brendan Moran
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Robert Cragie
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Shahid Raza
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Sean Turner
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Göran Selander
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Robert Cragie
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Karthik Bhargavan
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Rene Struik
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Karthik Bhargavan
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Blomqvist, Peter
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Blomqvist, Peter
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Blomqvist, Peter
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Blomqvist, Peter
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Robert Cragie
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Blomqvist, Peter
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Göran Selander
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Lake] Call for adoption for draft-selander-l… Martin Disch