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Re: [Last-Call] Professional organization? [was Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Fri, 07 October 2022 16:03 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 12:02:37 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Professional organization? [was Re: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins]
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It is an organization that we participate in professionally, so it is a
professional organization. It is not a social group. Hobbyists are welcome
to participate, but it's reasonable for us to expect that they behave
professionally.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 11:38 AM Marc Petit-Huguenin <marc@petit-huguenin.org>
wrote:

> On 10/7/22 07:30, Ted Lemon wrote:
> > Precisely. The reality of communication, particularly communication with
> > strangers, is that you MUST assume that what you say will be taken
> > literally. And if you say something that, taken literally, is offensive,
> > /you/ are responsible for giving offense, not the person who
> misunderstood
> > your intent. Of course we all can stand to be careful not to needlessly
> > take offense, and of course we all want to think of each other as friends
> > who understand each other.
> >
> > But in order for a diverse community to be inclusive, certain best
> > practices must be followed. One of these is: always speak literally.
> Never
> > try to convey information ironically. That may be how you interact with
> > your friends, and that's fine. But this is a professional organization
> that
> > does work, not a kaffeeklatsch where we hang out for pleasure. Even if
> you
>
> When did the IETF became a professional organization? (for reference, ACM
> *is* a professional organization).
>
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