Re: [Last-Call] Change of position: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins

Adam Roach <> Thu, 27 October 2022 05:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Change of position: Last Call: BCP 83 PR-Action Against Dan Harkins
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Interesting. Like Tim, I've reached the opposite conclusion.

Dan's behavior in this thread has made me far more confident in my 
position that the PR action should proceed. While there are numerous 
examples of Dan's messages I could cite /from this thread alone/ that I 
think cross the line of professional behavior by a fairly 
incontrovertible margin, I find this one in particular to be egregious 
and well beyond excuse: 

I'm absolutely floored that Dan not only failed to see how his initial 
email implying that Lloyd should seek a professional medical opinion on 
whether Lloyd is suffering from dementia was vastly inappropriate, but 
that Dan went so far as to double down on his recommendation so as to 
compound the initial ad hominem attack.

In an ideal situation, we might rely on Dan to moderate his own 
behavior. But if Dan can't even see how these kinds of ad hominems are 
inappropriate, I'm not sure how we might have any hope of him stopping 
himself from committing them in the future.


On 10/26/2022 11:25 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> Hi,
> I'd like to change my position on this. In a recent message, Dan 
> acknowledges that using sarcasm or satire is problematic:
> To my mind, given that Dan has been a significant technical 
> contributor over many years, that is really all the community can ask 
> for. I don't think the IETF would gain anything at this point by 
> applying a PR Action, and would possibly lose future significant 
> technical contributions.
> Regards
>    Brian Carpenter